New Realities recorded on June 24, 2014
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews Dr. Lynne Kitei, an expert on the 1997 Phoenix Lights UFO sightings. They discuss how encountering anomalous phenomena shifts human consciousness, often acting as a catalyst for spiritual awakenings similar to near-death experiences. Dr. Kitei shares her personal sightings, research, and the profound impact these experiences have on those who witness them, emphasizing that contact is peaceful and transformative.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. This is Alan Steinfeld, and this program is really about the evolution of our ongoing awareness of who we are in relationship to the universe, in relationship to consciousness, where this process is now taking us, where we are at and where we’re going. And that’s why I’m talking, that’s why I’m doing a whole series about the upcoming conference in the desert called Contact in the Desert, which is really the leading experts on UFOs that are going to be happening out in Joshua Tree, August 8th to the 11th of 2014. And tonight, I have one of, I feel, the most significant contributors to that field, Dr. Lynne Kitei. She’s the author of Phoenix Lights, a skeptic’s discovery that we are not alone. Welcome, Dr. Kitei. Hello, Dr. Lynne?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
The Phoenix Lights. In fact, our website, thephoenixlights.net, Phoenix Lights Network, is, if you go on the page, you’ll see evolution to a new consciousness, because that’s what’s really happening. It is so interesting not only how the story unfolded, but how it has affected people, even 17 years later, after the historic and still unexplained Arizona mass sighting of March 13th, 1997.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I feel that goes to the central question of what UFOs are about, or whatever you want to call this phenomena, that something is affecting consciousness, our awareness. And I think that’s so key. It’s not whether there’s little gray beings, green beings out there. It’s somehow shifting us in here. Is that sort of the position you take?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, it’s waking us up. Whoever is doing it, at least with the Phoenix Lights event, and anybody out there that’s not familiar with the Arizona mass sighting called the Phoenix Lights, on March 13th, 1997, while thousands of people were looking skyward purposely for a glimpse of the Hale-Bopp comet. And of course, one wonders if whoever did this knew that. But while they were trying to catch a glimpse of the Hale-Bopp comet, they also caught a glimpse of a mile to two-mile wide, in very credible reports, either these orbs, these balls of light equidistant from each other in a mile-wide V or craft. There were actually nine or ten different craft. There’s so much misinformation out there. The event happened for many, many hours. Actually, for weeks prior. And there were many events happening simultaneously, not only throughout Arizona, but also in New Mexico, in California, and Nevada. And what’s really interesting is that these objects, whatever they were, these anomalous aerial phenomena that were totally silent in all cases, with very low gliding, rooftop level, some people said they could have thrown a rock at it. And some people saw it take off at blink speed without even displacing the air. Others saw these orbs detach from the main object, go out into the environment, and then redock with it. Incredible technology to be sure. And there were eight or nine different craft. If you go on the Phoenix Lights Network website, you can take a look at the GAP page, GAP, a 12-year compilation of thousands of reports. And we’re talking eight or nine different craft, whether it was one craft that could morph or the perspective from where the person was standing, or a parade of different craft, which is what the investigators finally concluded 12 years later. We may never know. But the bottom line is that in not one case in 17 years, it’s over 17 years now, there is not one report of harm, threat, or abduction associated with the Phoenix Lights. I can’t speak for other things, but what happened during that, for many hours by the way, over a dozen hours. It started about 3:00 PM in the afternoon, the big sighting. And we have reports up to and including 5:30 the next morning when a Boeing crew was coming into Sky Harbor International Airport and saw one of these mile-wide crafts hovering over their tarmac. There is so much to the story. But as you alluded to, the way that it affected people, not only long-term, which we can talk about, but in real time. About six months before the mass sighting, the movie Independence Day was really popular. And we’re so inundated, we talk about this in our documentary, with threat, threat, threat and harm, harm, harm, that people’s mindset, when they see something strange and extraordinary, might be fright. And that’s what happened with kids particularly. Children were usually the first to see this mile-wide formation of lights coming towards them. And they were initially scared and jumping up and down, Independence Day, Independence Day. But as the phenomena got closer, not only children, but adults as well had a calmness take over them, felt a connectiveness to the phenomena. Actually, some had telepathy telling them, don’t worry, we’re not here to harm you. On and on and on in real time that when the phenomena passed by, the same kids that were initially frightened wanted to run after it or have their parents get in the car and run after it. So that doesn’t happen with planes and helicopters and blimps and so forth. So something really phenomenal happened here to not only wake up the witnesses to the fact that something is here that’s extraordinary, that is trying to wake us up to their presence in a very gentle, non-threatening way, but also woke people up to the fact that we’re not alone in the universe. And I hear this over and over and over again. In fact, I make a study of it in my book. And I have to say, after talking to thousands of people now over 17 years, that alone is so poignant and so worthy of note that long-term transformation, an awakening, a connectedness to the universe and to the earth and to each other is felt in such a soul-deep level over and over and over again by the people that experienced the Phoenix Lights and other similar phenomena.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I want to talk about that, but I first want to know about how many people do you think saw the Phoenix Lights there in 1997?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, I have to say that it’s estimated, and again, people were seeing them in Nevada and California and New Mexico as well. But in Arizona, it’s estimated over 10,000 people. And once I came forward, I stayed anonymous by the way. My husband, who is also a physician, and I had a very close sighting to our home two years before the mass sighting. And I captured pictures of it. That was an extraordinary experience in and of itself. And I got 35-millimeter photographs and I share the whole experience in the book. And I have to say that I wondered for two years, what is this advanced technology? I didn’t know we had this kind of advanced technology, even as a medical doctor, that was hovering right outside our bedroom window. Until two years later, and these were orbs in a triangle formation, like a pyramid, one on top and two closely aligned, a little below us. We’re pretty high on a mountain. And we have a panoramic view of the city skyline. So we know what helicopters and streetlights and car lights and so forth look like. And this was totally different than anything you could even imagine. These were orbs. These were actually oval-shaped objects, three of them, in a pyramid formation. And I tried to take everything in mentally, to have that mental moment, the size, the shape, the color, because it was so extraordinary. And they were about three to six feet each, depending on how close they were. There were three distinct objects. And I call them an orb, and I go back to this sighting every time I think about the Phoenix Lights because I saw them up close and personal. The color within each orb, and I call them an orb because the light did not extend outside the edge. It was self-contained, like nothing you’ve ever seen before. And the color was a uniform amber color throughout, and it didn’t glare at all. Every other light out there glares. These did not glare. They were mesmerizing, soothing. And I thought, if I don’t get a picture of this, nobody’s going to believe it. And I ran to the closet, grabbed my camera. My husband calls me back. He says, get over here quick, one of them is disappearing. And as we’re both watching in awe, and both healthy skeptics, and had no knowledge in this topic at all, but we stood there mesmerized while the top orb, without budging from in place, started to dim, as if on a dimmer switch. It actually started to implode, very, very, very slowly, mechanically, as if there was some kind of intelligence behind it until it was as small as a pea and then disappeared. But, Alan, I have to say this, and I didn’t share this with anyone until after the mass sighting two years later, even though we didn’t see it, it felt like it was still there. Where did it go? Okay?
Alan Steinfeld
I get it. Do you think that event two years prior was planting a seed for what would come? Do you think you were being, you know…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
You know, I don’t know, Alan. I try to stick to the data and be as scientific as I can. And if you start connecting the dots, you know, and you even look back, and we can get into that if we have time, a number of the witnesses that I interviewed shared with me that they had had near-death experiences as children that was reawakened by the mass sighting. And I’ll get to that in a second, but I just wanted to finish this one story that I jumped out on the balcony and I got a quick picture of the two lower orbs and immediately noticed an eerie silence, as if time had stopped. It was just totally bizarre. And as intently as I’m looking at the two lower orbs, I have to admit that it felt as if something was watching me. And going through my mind at that moment, I was thinking, who are you? What are you? Do you know that I’m here? I’d love to meet you.
Alan Steinfeld
Was that the same presence you felt two years later, or was it not connected?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, this is in ’95. This is the first experience that I ever had.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And then two years later, did you feel that same thing that was watching you when you saw the Phoenix Lights?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, they weren’t as close. These were close. And, you know, the next thing I know, the left bottom orb is disappearing and imploding and I got a picture of that. And those are on the photo page on our website if anybody wants to take a look. All my photographs have been analyzed by university, military, and so forth, and no one could tell me what they are. They can tell me what they’re not. But to this day, they cannot be explained or denied. But anyway, it wasn’t until two years later that they came back. And this is important data, Alan, for anyone that doesn’t know, or even if they think they know the Phoenix Light story. Two months before the mass sighting, there was an object that, a mile-wide object that appeared right by the airport that I also caught pictures of, actually head-on turning into a V. And it was so startling, not having an explanation for ’95, I first shot, I was shaking because I was like, what could this be? Is this a mothership or a fleet or what is this? And I just kept clicking away. I got six pictures in a row of this thing head-on turning into a V. And it was so unnerving that the next morning I called around, figuring there must be a logical explanation for this, right? And found air traffic controllers at Sky Harbor International Airport who saw the same thing at the same time. This is January ’97. Hovering over Class B restricted airspace. They were very forthcoming initially. And one of them was a meteorologist and actually said, this is how they described it. It’s six points of light that seemed to be attached to something a mile wide, totally equidistant from each other, that turned against the wind as a unit, then elevated slowly and moved behind South Mountain, which is south of the airport. And I said, so what was it? And there was silence. And then one of the air traffic controllers said, beats me. I said, you’re air traffic controllers, you’re supposed to know what’s in our airspace. They had not a clue. And they ruled out everything that could be conventional, including flares and planes and helicopters and balloons and whatever.
Alan Steinfeld
So was that similar then to the object that appeared two months later?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Actually, good question, because it was the same exact object. And that’s why I bring it up. Because for me, I continued photographing these orbs out at a distance. And something made me, don’t ask me why, but I just felt compelled to every time I saw them to go out there and photograph them. And I’m so thankful that I did because I have data that cannot be denied. But at any rate, on March 13th, unbeknownst to me, while thousands of people were seeing craft throughout this whole state, and these orbs, the same exact phenomena popped up in the same exact location, the mile-wide phenomena. And I got out there real quick with my camera, my video camera at the time, and by the time I got it focused, I caught the three endpoints of a mile-wide V or triangle that has become one of the signature videos, only a handful of videos, the signature video of the mass sighting. And I called the air traffic controllers the next morning immediately and they shared that they saw it too, over Class B restricted airspace. In fact, there were pilots that were calling in that it was right over them as they were taking off from Sky Harbor. It was just really amazing because here I had all this data that I didn’t know what to do with and I didn’t really want to get involved. And there’s a lot of serendipity to this.
Alan Steinfeld
But have you seen anything since 1997?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Oh yes. Oh yes. Oh.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s interesting. I didn’t know that.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Yeah, you gotta get on the photo page if you want to take a look.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, I’m looking through your book or on your website.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, they’re in the book and also on the website, on the photo page. Not only are the orbs, and I have some phenomenal pictures. I mean just amazing. The one I used on the cover of the book, I took one month after 9/11 and there’s a whole story to that that I share at the end of the book. But I also have pictures, and this is very interesting talking about consciousness. I love taking sunset shots. I have like five or six books of sunsets because we have beautiful, beautiful sunsets here in Arizona and we face the sunset. So whenever I can, I try to capture them. And in November and December of 2000, and this is also on the photo page on the phoenixlights.net.
Alan Steinfeld
I’m looking at the photo page now.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Okay, if you go down to the bottom, you’ll see two separate months, one in November and one in December. I captured sunsets and I did not see this when I took the sunsets. But when I got the negatives back, and again these were 35mm, I noticed something strange in both rolls. And it’s the same exact thing. It’s actually a rod or a cigar-shaped object, huge, massive, we’ve had it analyzed, that some might call the mothership. I don’t know. But at any rate, they were in the same exact spot a month apart, which was pretty amazing.
Alan Steinfeld
This is 2000? 2003?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
In 2000. In 2000.
Alan Steinfeld
In 2000. And then 2003, you also have some pictures on the website.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Yeah, and by the way, by the way, and this is, there were a lot of serendipities and I don’t believe in coincidence anymore. Six months before the mass sighting, and I just have to share this. It’s very ironic.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, no, I’m interested in all your research as you put it together.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Yeah, you’re going to love this. You’re going to love this, Alan, because my life’s work has been community education for 40 years. I used to do health reporting for NBC and USA Cable and so forth. And actually I have a company that produces video and workbook curriculums for youth worldwide, discovery education, distributes them on vital health issues. And when this fell in my lap, I have to tell you that I really, ultimately after seven years of intensive research and looking, searching for a logical explanation and ending up with a 750-page journal later, realized that the information was just too important and too compelling not to share. And people can make up their own minds. But anyway, six months before the mass sighting, I was invited to present my substance abuse prevention education program at the Gila River Indian Reservation, which is in between South Mountain and the Estrella Mountain range. If you look on the photo page, you’ll see that they intersect. There’s the first picture. Now I have the topography there so people can see South Mountain on the left and the Estrellas are on the right, at a little distance back. And when I really started analyzing these pictures, I realized that, wow, especially after the mass sighting, that these phenomena are popping up in that area. So I went back to them, and I had become friendly with the principal and some of the people on the board. And I sat down with them at lunch, and this is exactly what happened. It was amazing. I said, out of all due respect, but I wanted to ask this question. Has anybody happened to see strange lights on March 13th? And they started to giggle. And I said, is that funny? And they said, are you kidding? We’ve been looking up at them for centuries. We call them sky people, light beings. It’s part of our culture. I had no idea. That was the first time I had ever heard of that. And certainly I have learned that most indigenous peoples worldwide are very open to other beings and other intelligences being among us. But what’s really interesting is that they shared with me that the Estrellas, that’s how the Estrellas got its name. Because the Spaniards of the day would hear these stories. This has been happening for centuries. Okay? There’s even petroglyphs that are etched out on South Mountain and the Estrellas that are exactly like what my husband and I saw, the triangle of three orbs, and also like the boomerang that thousands of people saw on March 13th, 1997. And another interesting point is that they believe that there is a gateway in that area. Okay? And if you look, you know, I’m not, you know, I’m just putting that out there. But if you look at my photos over and over and over again, these phenomena keep popping up in that area.
Alan Steinfeld
So it’s not well, that’s an interesting point. So it’s really not a new phenomenon. You’re from your research, it seems like it’s age-old. I mean…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Exactly, Alan. That’s what blew me away. Because again, I had no knowledge or interest in this topic at all. But once I saw something up close and personal that I could not relate to anything on this earth, and then thousands of people saw the same thing on March 13th, it really sent me on a journey to try to find a logical explanation. And the more I searched, the more I found this credible information that just blew me away. Including the fact that these phenomena have been around since human documentation began. There are actually etched out drawings in primitive caves of prehistoric animals that are long extinct, and up in the sky is what we would call a UFO. Okay? And…
Alan Steinfeld
No, no, no, I do want to talk to you about, you know, first you say how much your life has changed. But I think it’s also great to have a discussion about sort of what you’ll be addressing at Contact in the Desert, which Dr. Lynne will be at on August 8th through the 11th, Joshua Tree, about how this really affects our consciousness. I mean, the phenomena is out there, who knows if it’s a new thing or it’s been with us for centuries. But how does it affect who we are, how we think about ourselves in relationship to the universe, and what’s really going on here that people are not telling us? I think that’s also a big point. Why are we not, why is this being hidden from our public awareness? So…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, number one, that’s why I came forward, ultimately. Because this information is too important to stick in a drawer. And again, everybody comes from a different background, from a different upbringing, from a different belief system. Some people can’t deal with this. Some people don’t want to deal with it. But that’s okay. Everyone in their own…
Alan Steinfeld
But why is it important? I mean, who, I mean, how does this really affect us that there’s things up that, yeah, maybe they’re there, I want to know how it shifts consciousness by knowing this.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, I, let me, let me, let me go back to what I was trying to say earlier and maybe that will help. You know, a number of witnesses and, and this is shifting consciousness. This is waking us up, whatever these phenomena are, are waking us up to not only their presence in a gentle way, but also to the spiritual beings that we are, to who we really are. And I hear this over and over again. It’s not a new agey thing. It’s something that’s really happening to people. And it happens to people that also have near-death experiences. Okay. If you look at the data, if you really study the information that’s out there and there’s certainly millions and millions of people who have had a near-death experience, what really got me is that a number of witnesses to the Phoenix Lights shared with me that they also had had a childhood near-death experience that was reawakened by the mass sighting. And that really touched me deeply because I did too. And I go into my near-death experience in my book in great detail. I finally got it all out there when I finally came forward seven years later, from seven years of anonymity in 2004. But what I found fascinating, not only the fact that other people also had near-death experiences that were reawakened by the mass sighting, but I thought, wow, could it, is it possible that there is a connection between all unexplained phenomena, whether it’s near-death experience, out-of-body experience, or unexplained aerial phenomena that have a mystical light associated with the experience? And of course, I try to do my homework again and I really went to a university level and found surprisingly because I had no idea this was going on, studies being done at university level, the Omega project by Dr. Kenneth Ring at the University of Connecticut, and also Raymond Fowler, Dr. Raymond Fowler, who got very involved with the Andreasson case, as well as Dr. Bruce Greyson, who is a near-death experience authority, were all finding not only was the experience, and this is the important thing, not only were the experiences very similar, I laid it out very simply in the book. But the after-effect, the awakening, the enlightenment…
Alan Steinfeld
But let’s talk about that really, I mean, yes, the after-effects… But if that’s true, and let’s just hypothesize about it, if that’s true that somehow the UFO sighting events are somehow connected to near-death experiences, then we have to in a way stretch our minds to make the connection. And what I make of that is that who we think we are as human beings, as consciousness, as perception itself is not really the whole picture. There’s other levels of awareness that are then awakened by these anomalous phenomena. That’s how I put it together.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Exactly. No, exactly. Exactly. I couldn’t agree more. You know, suddenly we realize when we have these anomalies, and I call them UPs by the way, unexplained phenomena, all the unexplained phenomena as an UP, because it is an UP. It is so positive. You know, when you really start to realize that you are connected, that everything is connected to the universe and to the earth and each other. And that every living thing is important. And that’s what happens if you read near-death experience literature, time and time again, people will come back. And these are substantiated near-death experiences with not only the knowing, the knowing, it’s not believing. It’s knowing that we’re not alone. That we do go on. I mean, there’s a whole other story to this. We could talk for hours about it.
Alan Steinfeld
No, talk about that whole other story because, you know…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, they have this knowing that we do go on. That what happens here is important. That what we do will affect us for the rest of our destiny. I wish people realized that because maybe they would act a little differently.
Alan Steinfeld
But there is something about the UFO phenomena, and maybe I know you weren’t into deal with abductions, but some people do that. There’s something just about citing that’s traumatic because it’s so outside our box.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well it depends. Now you’re going in a different direction. Number one, wait, wait, wait, wait. I’ll talk. Yeah, no, I’m going to go there. I’m going to go there. But just to finish the thought that, you know, time and time again, people will come back, and this has happened with contact as well. Knowing that love is at its core. Okay? And that’s really important. Number one. And also with a message, time and time again, with a message that to wake up to what we’re doing to ourselves and our planet before it’s too late. And that message is echoed over and over and over again, whether it’s near-death experience or contact. Now, on the other side, and I don’t get into abductions, I don’t know what’s going on with that, that is not my expertise, okay?
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Because love is not always present and some, it might be as people get over the trauma, but…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, that’s where I was going to go with that. Because the bottom line is we don’t have… You know, we’re in a little reality cube. We’re told of a little reality cube from the time that we’re born on earth, okay? And very few people really stretch out of that reality cube because we’re told that it’s not real, that it’s a mirage, that it’s a, you know, you’re fantasizing or it’s a dream or whatever, okay? And most anomalies, by the way, can be explained. Let me make that clear, okay? Only a small percentage cannot. But when they are real and they really affect people at a very, very deep level, and we don’t have a reference for it. That was one of the reasons…
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, wait, wait, just wait, can you just stop there for a second. You say this anomalous activity affects people on a deeply level. And then go into like the mechanics of why and how that disturbs the psyche.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, I’m getting there. I’m getting there. But, you know, it affects the psyche because we don’t have a reference for it, okay? We’re not being told that it’s real. We’re not being told that it’s okay to talk about it. And when people have an anomalous experience that’s real to them and they don’t share it, it festers, okay? It’s not healthy. And that’s…
Alan Steinfeld
But it also there may be no frame to even cognize the…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Exactly, exactly. But once once and that’s why that’s one of the main reasons I came forward. Not only to share the data, but to let people know as a physician that it’s not healthy to keep it inside. And I welcome people to email me. You can email me if you just go to the website at the very top of the website, you know, you’ll see a contact and you can just go right to me and tell me your story. I try to answer everyone that communicates and I welcome it because it’s…
Alan Steinfeld
It’s DrLynne@msn.com. It’s right on your website.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Right, right. And because that is healing. It’s very cathartic. Even if you just share it with one person. And you wouldn’t believe, Alan, how many people have had experiences and I’ve gotten thousands and thousands of emails through the years since I’ve come forward in 2004 that they’re afraid to talk about it with their family. They’re afraid to share it with anybody. And it festers, and that’s not healthy. And you know, we don’t…
Alan Steinfeld
But people are still being ridiculed for, I mean, aren’t you? I mean, you’re a doctor, you’re a professional…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, that’s why I came forward, because I wanted to get it out there. It’s like enough already.
Alan Steinfeld
But wait, what happened? Weren’t you ridiculed? Weren’t you still laughed at in some ways?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
I have been very fortunate. I have to tell you, Alan, because I did my homework, okay? I did my homework, I’ve tried to stick to the data and be as scientific as I can with the data. I have unbelievable quotes that I’ve also found from presidents and astronauts and physicists and so forth that I share. And you know, when I finally came forward, and it was a very scary proposition. Don’t get me wrong. I did not want to come forward, and I didn’t have to. I don’t have to do this, but for some reason, I had to do this. And I actually pushed my entire medical career aside for four years and ended up with a 750-page journal, then had to decide what I was going to do with it, and went back to work to help put our younger son through medical school. He’s a neurologist now. And I was at the Arizona Heart Institute as the Chief Clinical Consultant of the Wellness and Imaging Center, just editing down the book to the best, most compelling data that I found. And finally said, this is enough is enough. We’ve got to get this out in the open. It’s time we address it, and we accept it, and we study it so we can move forward and not only find out who’s driving these things, but also move forward in our own evolution. And when I did come forward, Alan, to answer your question, I was, I can’t even tell you how taken back I was with the positive response that I’ve had. I’ve been very, very fortunate because, you know, if people just look at the data, it speaks for itself. And I’m not trying to convince anybody of anything. I’m just getting it out there, and people can look at it or not. But it’s there if they want to learn and grow. And I had more doctors and nurses take me aside and say, wait, I have to tell you this story. When I was on a beach and when I was seven years old, there was a UFO right on, I mean, like, and on and on and on. I mean, there are so many people that have had experiences worldwide. And that was a big reason that I wanted to come forward. And I’m so thankful that I did. I didn’t realize…
Alan Steinfeld
But there’s that other side, like, before your experience, like as you’ve said before, where this was the furthest thing from your mind that these things existed, that you even cared that the people who thought about them were, you know, you just brushed it off. Can you talk about that, that pretty…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, I was so busy, to be honest with you, bringing up two boys to be productive, caring men, which they are, and also with my company and I’ve always been involved in a number of different things. I really didn’t have time. I mean it was the furthest thing from my mind. But…
Alan Steinfeld
And when people talked about it, what was your response? People who would talk about UFOs.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
You know, when you’re a physician, Alan, you have to be open, even though I’m a healthy skeptic. You still have to be open to things. Anything can come walking through the door, and believe me, I’ve heard all the stories from all ends of the spectrum. So, you know, I’m open to things, and that’s the first step, by the way. You can be a healthy skeptic, but also to really embrace this. And it’s a choice. I mean, people that cut themselves off from this… there is, I’ve seen it in medicine. There are energies out there. There are positive and negative energies that we emote, affect us, affect our bodies, affect everybody around us. I mean, that’s a whole other conversation, but absolutely, you know, we have so much power within ourselves that we’re not being told, really. Besides our brain power, you know, we have energies to heal ourselves and to heal our world. And I hope that, you know, with the work that I’m doing, that it makes the world a better place. And that’s why I came forward, because I have to ask you a question. Who is really preparing the public for what’s ahead? Because we know this is real.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think these comings and goings of ships, these sightings that come up and flare up and then disappear, start to plant seeds of awareness. And it’s like that Schopenhauer quote, which I’m sure you’re familiar with, that truth goes through three stages. First it’s ignored, then it’s ridiculed, and then it’s acknowledged as self-evident, you know? So it’s like these phases, we’re in the second phase of being ridiculed in a sense. But I think this preparation is a slow what I call soft contact. It’s a soft awakening where in a couple of generations, maybe or maybe they’ll just remain elusive. But I think more and more people through the use of the internet and through…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well that’s the thing. Yes, with the internet and cell phones and capturing this and… Because let me tell you, number one, and I go back to, you know who else said that quote? J. Allen Hynek, who the government plucked out of Northwestern University, he was the head of astronomy there, to head the Project Blue Book, which was the only public study to debunk UFOs.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, to debunk it, he went out to…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, yes, yes. And when right before he passed in 85, he not only started the Center for UFO Studies in Chicago or in Illinois, but also made a very poignant statement. And by the way, he also created the close encounters, you know, one, two, three, whatever.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, wasn’t he… he did that for ten years, yeah.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Wait, wait, wait, but he made a very poignant statement. He said, you know, science happens in threes. The first stage is complete disbelief. The second stage is, well, it might be so. And the third and final stage is, ah, I knew it all the time. And I do think that we’re coming closer and closer with the internet, with social media, with cell phones. Because don’t forget when we had the mass sighting here. And one wonders if they knew this, okay. But when we had the mass sighting here, cell phones were real clunky. They did not have cameras. And, you know, who carries a camera when you’re out and about? And it was a beautiful, beautiful night. And people were playing baseball and out on the golf course and whatever. And that’s why there aren’t many more pictures. Because those that did have cameras did try to take pictures of these craft. And it blocked out the stars. So they, you know, it turned out blank. But the bottom line is that people are waking up. Number one, because there is so much information out there. And in reference to your ridicule and criticizing, I think that’s really changing too. I’m doing another presentation very shortly at the MUFON International Symposium as well, on UFOs and the media. Because here in Arizona, and you know, I had done health reporting for NBC in the early 80s, and the people that I was working with that were just starting out then, by the time I came forward in 2004 were now the news director at CBS and the production manager at ABC. And they used to call the person who had these pictures Dr. X for seven years. And when I came forward, they said, you’re Dr. X? We’ll come on over. And I have to tell you the media as well. And it’s a model for what should happen. Take these sightings seriously. They don’t ridicule, they don’t laugh, they don’t snicker, they don’t play the funny music, they don’t have little green men in the background. They really… And some of these things can be explained. I mean, there are blimps that come through, there are flares.
Alan Steinfeld
But do you think there’s a government cover-up of, let’s say, Roswell and those long-term cases? Do you think there’s another branch that is denying this?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Okay. I have to tell you that I really don’t even go there anymore because it doesn’t matter. I mean, they have a job to do. We have such security issues right now that it is what it is. And I have no idea. There’s rumors flying all over the place on why they’re not forthcoming. That’s another reason that I came forward, because it needs to get out there. And in my own small way, I’m trying to get it out in the book, but also in our internationally award-winning documentary. And we have, we won over a dozen international awards for our documentary. And now I am actually working on a curriculum called Out of the Box, The Adventures of Sue FO, Field Observer, and Hugh, H-U-G-H, UFO. And he’s an alien. Okay. And it’s for kids fourth to twelfth grade. It’s groundbreaking. And I’ve been working on curriculums for 35 years. So it’s about time that I did it on this topic, and I am. I am entrenched in developing this curriculum that’s going to be so fabulous once we get it out there. So, you know, hold your hat. I will…
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I love how passionate you are about the subject because I’m passionate too, and I’m writing my own kind of approach to this. But the thing that I keep getting like, not stuck, but up against is the conflict of the traumatic revelations of wow, there’s something bigger than what we thought. And the integration of that into a new worldview that most people, or a lot of people, are not willing to let go of. I mean, their old worldview to encompass something new. And some people are, of course, but initially, I think, like I said, some people are traumatized because there’s no place to put this phenomenon in what they’ve been taught about the nature of reality.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
You’re right. And it is a slow process. And just to finish your thought from before, I mean, people have different perceptions and different reactions to these phenomena. Not in the Phoenix Lights case. I must say, that’s why it’s so poignant because there hasn’t been one report, not one. I mean, it was just the reverse. No harm, no threat, no abduction. People were joyful, people were in wonder, people were mesmerized. People knew that they, I mean, I’ve had people tell me that they feel blessed that they had the experience. I mean, it’s just amazing. But when somebody does have an experience that to them, because they have no reference for it, is frightening or whatever, studies have also shown, and I’ve spoken with therapists through the years, that if you go seek help, if you go work it out with a therapist, and there are groups out there as well, that eventually, and I did have a big conversation. In fact, my first presentation before I even came forward, a month before I came forward in March of 2004, in February I was asked to present with Dr. John Mack who…
Alan Steinfeld
I love John Mack. You know, I just interviewed the woman who’s going to do a feature about his life. Did you talk to her?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Oh, that’s wonderful because… Yeah. And I have to tell you that I hesitated to, because he’s into abduction, and that’s not my expertise. But how could I not? I mean, for anybody out there that doesn’t know, he was the head of the PEER group that studied these phenomena, but also a Pulitzer Prize-winning Harvard psychiatrist, Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard, which really brought validation and acknowledgment to the whole UFO investigative field.
Alan Steinfeld
No, he really, really tried.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
And what was poignant and the reason that I finally said, how could I not present with him, was that my data actually confirmed what he was going to say. Okay?
Alan Steinfeld
In what way did your data confirm the abduction?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Because it showed that we had a visitation by something not of this world here, and that it affected people very deeply. And you know, of course, he, and I have to say, after my presentation, we met for a while. And he shared with me, and this was only months before he was in a terrible, fatal car accident in England. But he shared with me that he was in the middle of writing a book. And he totally agreed with everything that I said, that once you start really ruminating and really treating this as a real phenomena with a therapist, that people that were even initially scared or frightened and traumatized initially, came full circle and not only started to have relationships with these other beings, but they were healed, and they felt they really came full circle and were spiritually awakened. And that was what his book was about.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, a Passport to the Cosmos was one version of it. But I think what you just said is key to a global understanding that that is where we might come to as a planetary civilization when this is publicly acknowledged.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
I hope so.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think so. I think, and I think the resistance to it as I describe is because the powers and control don’t want this level of awakening to happen because there’s a lot of money involved in this. I don’t want to get too into conspiracies, but I think there is some level of suppression because they want to hold onto the old way of being. And if these crafts are getting here, they’re not getting here by filling up their gas tank, you know.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
And it’s not just craft. It’s not just craft. There are entities in Spirit World. And I also have photographs, actually. I just shared a mind-boggling photograph that my older son, who was the premier skeptic of the family and said, Mom, you better not come forward, they’re going to find out this is military and you’ll look like an idiot, before this occurred, actually took a picture of a new kitten that he had just gotten the day before on the tenth anniversary of my mother’s passing. And he was very, very close with her. That actually has her in the picture. And it’s mind-boggling. And I shared it…
Alan Steinfeld
How did you know it was her? Your mother?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Because she had crippling arthritis and she had a very distinctive hand. And her hand is in the picture. And also, she went through nursing school in a wheelchair. She had crippling juvenile arthritis and became head nurse of the premature nursery at Einstein Hospital in Philadelphia. And after he took this picture, I actually tried to find a picture that looked like her hand and found a picture of her holding a preemie baby almost exactly, I mean it’s not exactly, which is good, but almost the same way that this, there’s two arms. There’s two hands cupping this kitten in the picture that my son took. It’s mind-boggling. Anyway, that did it for me, by the way, Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, that did it for you to show you that the anomalous experiences of UFOs were somehow connected to a spiritual awakening.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
That this is all real. That this is all real. And that there’s so much more than we’re being told, as you alluded to.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, there’s so much more to us as human beings. That’s what we’re not being told either.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Right. So anyway, I shared it for the first time in Paul Davids’s movie, the new movie Life After Death Project that he just produced this past year. Just, you know, he asked if I would share it, and I finally got it out there in a small way. But it doesn’t even matter for other people. I know it’s real.
Alan Steinfeld
But if you do believe this, then somehow you must feel somehow you were chosen to deliver this message to the world, not in an ego way, but just like…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No, no. We’re all chosen. I have to say, Alan, that we’re all chosen to live a life on earth. And what we do with it is our choice. And just as my husband couldn’t deal with any of this and didn’t want to deal with it, although he’s very supportive, for whatever reason, I just, you know, it just, maybe because of my own expertise, I just felt obliged to use my background and, and, you know, my knowledge and, whatever, to try to do the best.
Alan Steinfeld
But it’s almost as if you didn’t have a choice. It’s like you’re compelled, you’re driven, which is…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, I am. I am passionate about it.
Alan Steinfeld
No, I think it’s great. So it’s like in a way, something’s been planted in you to deliver this message to wherever you can. Well, because of your own drive, but also a bigger, a bigger picture is unfolding here.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, we’ll see. I mean, the bottom line is that if I can be a credible voice, and this is ultimately what prompted me to come forward too, because, you know, again, I don’t do things halfway. And I knew if I came forward that I had to do it the right way and really get it out there. And I’ve tried my best to do that. And I hope that it keeps going, and that people will actually look at the data because it does, it speaks for itself. And I’ve tried to gather it, not only for my own knowledge initially and trying to do my homework. But once I, I mean, when you look at this, what’s happening worldwide with the history. I mean, there’s such a vast history, we didn’t even get into that. With the Sumerian writings and the Bible and, there’s descriptions of the same phenomena in the Bible. And, 15th-century frescoes have UFOs in the sky with people looking at them on the ground. And 100 years before our mass sighting in 1987… there was what was described in Kansas and California and Washington and then Canada, a giant airship before the Wright brothers started flying that had removable lights. I mean, that’s what was…
Alan Steinfeld
What year is that you’re saying?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
That 1987. In April. Which is about the same time. 1987. 100 years before the mass sighting. I mean these things have been around…
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, 1887.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
I’m sorry. 1887. I’m sorry. 1897. 1897. 1897. If you look it up, there, there. In fact I have it in my book. So you can look at it…
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, is there a reference though from that, I’m just curious, where these…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
If you look into the Kansas Chronicle. I mean, I have the references there in the book. And I tried to really go through to show similar phenomena, including Foo Fighters in World War Two. In fact, we have an anniversary showing of our documentary every year as a celebration of the anniversary, right around the 13th of March. And last year, we have, and he’s actually in the bonus features on our documentary DVD, a 92-year-young French pilot who actually saw the same phenomena during World War Two. They called them Foo Fighters. And going around his plane. And he tells what happened not only when he saw it, but when he went back to the base to report it, what happened. And it wasn’t pretty. Okay. They did not want…
Alan Steinfeld
It wasn’t pretty. What does he say happened?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, they didn’t want the information out there. And you hear it over and over again, that pilots have been threatened…
Alan Steinfeld
What did they do to him? I mean…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Nothing, they threatened him not to say anything.
Alan Steinfeld
But you’ve never been threatened, right? You’ve never been harassed.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No. No, I’ve been very fortunate because, you know, I’m not out there bashing the government and military. Again, they have a job to do. I’m trying to do my own thing at a grassroots level, totally grassroots level. From my own heart and pocket. To educate the public that wants to be educated and wants to learn about this.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Well, I like that there’s a history to it. And I do believe that it’s been around for a long time. But it does feel like there’s something new about the phenomenon. That’s just my feeling. What’s your feeling about it?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
I think that, and we don’t know if it’s just happening at a faster pace because people are looking up. I tell people to look up all the time. And they do have cell phones, and now we have social media. But that is certainly helping to get the word out there. And, you know what’s really, really amazing to me personally, when I came forward in 2004. And we didn’t even get into that discussion. The only explanation that was announced five months after the fact and only a month before, after no investigation, no explanation of the mass sighting. And we’re talking right over people’s heads. I mean, we have pilots in the documentary that talk about looking into these wells, these canisters, these giant canisters of swimming light right above their head. And yet there was no investigation. And everybody’s blowing it off. And suddenly, okay. And it’s interesting how the story unfolds, actually. A USA Today article, a front-page article, in June, okay, months later, June 18th…
Alan Steinfeld
2004?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No, 1997.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, 1997. Okay.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Opened our sighting up to international scrutiny. Overnight, we were deluged by media from all over the world. It was the first time that they heard about it outside of Arizona. And the very next day, this is really interesting. The very next day, after nothing for months, our former governor Fife Symington announces that he’s calling a press conference that afternoon to announce the culprit of the lights over Phoenix. Okay? Well, everybody took him seriously. And talk about making a joke and mocking. He comes marching out, one of his aides with a giant alien head. And made a joke out of the whole thing. Which really, really offended many people, especially parents who were with children. I mean, how do you tell them that this is a joke? It’s not a joke.
Alan Steinfeld
I know, but Symington later apologized for that whole thing.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Oh, yes. Well, ten years, right after the 10th anniversary. Yes, Alan, you’re right. For whatever reason, he came forward bravely to say that he actually saw it, and that it wasn’t, it was otherworldly in his own words. It was otherworldly.
Alan Steinfeld
And he appeared at the National Press Club as part of the disclosure campaign. He said something… what’d he say? Something challenged my reality and blew his mind or something like that. He goes on record to say that.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
And that’s what’s really important, that more and more credible people do come forward and do feel that it’s important to share and to get it out there. And you know, so that’s part of the process.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, did you ever meet him? Symington? Did you ever meet this governor?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No, I tried very, very hard to. I have to tell you. And just to thank him for coming forward. And he has never communicated with me, even though I sent him the book and the documentary a couple times. Even through his own son. But, so I don’t get that. But whatever. I hope that my efforts helped him feel that it was okay to come forward because I’ve been very public about it.
Alan Steinfeld
Because he seems very public about it. I mean, I’ve seen a couple of clips on YouTube where he goes on and talks about it in a big way. What happened to him, so… I’m surprised you never met him because you are like the top Phoenix Light…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Hello?
Alan Steinfeld
Must be in part of your film or acknowledge it?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Yeah, well, he is in the, he is in the film. But you know, and I do talk about it a little bit in the book. But you know, the main thing is that the more credible people that come forward the better. And you know, it’s great that he did. And it really took it to another level. And, and you know, if you watch the documentary, you’ll see as well, I mean, we have a 911 police operator who was on that night. I mean the police, she came up to me actually, at a presentation. She said, I heard that the police said that they didn’t get any calls that night or very few. I said, well, that’s what they say publicly. And she said, well, I’m here to tell you I just retired, and I was on that night and we got hundreds and hundreds of calls. Which, you know. Do you want to hear about it? I said are you kidding me? And she’s fabulous. She’s in the documentary. And, you know, we have pilots and military. I mean, people from all walks of life experienced this. And that’s, you know, that’s the thing. Once you see something like that, again, it’s not a believing, it’s a knowing.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, but I like, I agree, and I like what you’re saying about this shifting people’s consciousness and how the whole phenomena acknowledges that there’s more to the human being than what we’ve been conditioned to think. So how does that then change your personal relationship to medicine, to spirituality, to the vast universe? You personally?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, I’ve always been spiritual, I guess. You know, especially since my own near-death experience, and I get into, you know, details in the book. And really came away when I was eight years old with a much more mature psyche, I guess, than most people my age. And but I thought everybody knew the secret of life. Okay. And I’m an empath as well. And you know, have my own little psychic things and intuitions. But I thought everybody, and I do believe everybody does have that capability. It’s how open we are to really delve in and and explore it. And learn about it and develop them. And as I said earlier, some people just can’t deal with this. Some people don’t want to deal with it, and that’s okay. That’s okay. Everyone in their own time. But more and more people now are awakening, and that’s, I think, a good thing.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, have you ever been hypnotized or regressed to see if there possibly could have been any abduction phenomena with you?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Number one, I don’t need to do that. I’ve had a relationship, if you read my book…
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, I will.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
When I had my near-death experience, I did meet three giant beings in white robes above the earth watching us. Which is very poignant because then, and certainly I didn’t know that at the time. I mean this is as real as I’m talking to you. That I felt have been with me my whole life as guides and have really given me comfort and also guidance. When I come to a crossroads, I meditate, and I don’t hear voices or anything, I just get feelings. And time after time after time it’s always taken me to a great place. I’ll share one with you because I know it’s getting kind of, kind of late here.
Alan Steinfeld
We have time? Yeah. Yeah. No, we can go as much as long as we want. So we can do a little more, a little more time. So please.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Oh, I’ll just, I’ll just take a couple minutes here, but I wanted to, to share this. My background is also in professional musical theater. I don’t know if you’re aware of that. You know, I toured with Gordon MacRae in Oklahoma and Betty Grable and Guys and Dolls and…
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, how was Betty… No, that’s a whole other subject, but that’s interesting.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Understudied Barbara Eden in Sound of Music. And I don’t know if you saw the movie Raising Arizona by the Coen Brothers? Yeah. Nicolas Cage, Holly Hunter. They were all just starting out. I played the mother of the quintuplets in that, Florence Arizona. And what’s really poignant is that there is a reference to UFOs. And my character in the, after one of the quintuplets, one of our quintuplets was kidnapped by Holly Hunter and Nicolas Cage, there’s a press conference. And one of the reporters sticks a microphone in my husband’s face and says, we hear that your son was abducted by UFOs. Is there any truth to that? And my husband says, oh please, please don’t print that sir. If his mom reads that she’ll lose all hope. Which is kind of ironic because I feel the exact opposite. But that’s in the movie. And what’s even more ironic is that the cinematographer who was just starting out at the time, and went on to do, you know, such movies as Big and When Harry Met Sally and a whole bunch of other wonderful films, is Barry Sonnenfeld, who did the Men in Black series. Now, if that’s not a coincidence, I don’t know what it is. So, just to add that to the mix.
Alan Steinfeld
Has he ever been in touch with him about your Phoenix Lights film?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Actually, I’ve been wanting to. I have been so busy I haven’t yet, but it’s a good suggestion and the Coen brothers as well. But I know Barry would probably be very, very interested. I’ve got to, I’ve got to hunt him down. But in the meantime, you know, going back to soul searching, when I was touring in Sound of Music with Barbara Eden, I got a call from Leon Uris, who had written the book Exodus. Right. The best-seller, and the movie was a big hit with Paul Newman and so forth. And now he was doing the musical. And singing is my forte actually, and he had heard I guess heard about my voice and invited me to audition for the ingenue, the part of Karen. And it was a month before I started medical school. And in 1970, not too many girls were in my class. There were only a handful of girls in a class of 120 students. And so talk about doing soul searching. Got down to two of us and I really, really thought about it very seriously. What am I going to do? And the answer was that I had to go to medical school and one day I’d find out why. And I told Leon Uris that I was starting medical school. He wasn’t too happy about it. The show went on the road as they do and they have trials like in Boston and stuff. It opened on Broadway, closed in three weeks. I would have been dead meat. So that’s just one of so many and in the book you’ll see that I…
Alan Steinfeld
But you weren’t in it. You weren’t in it when it opened on Broadway though?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No, no. I went to medical school.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But you could have been if you weren’t in medical school.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Well, it was there if I wanted it. But…
Alan Steinfeld
Was it a decent play or no?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
I have no idea. I never saw it. I was in medical school. It opened and closed in three weeks. But the point is that I trusted in the guidance and there was a point after the mass sighting where I didn’t know why I had all this material. I didn’t want to have it. I didn’t know what to do with it. I didn’t know anyone that was connected with the topic. And I just didn’t know what to do. And it was so controversial, particularly at the time that I just didn’t know what to do. And I finally, my friends would tell me, oh Lynne, if anybody can do something credible and professional with this, you can. This is what you’ve been doing for 40 years, or 25 years at the time. And I really did some major soul searching and just left it to the universe and said, hey, you know what, if I’m supposed to do something productive and positive with this, just show me the way. And I have to tell you, Alan, the puzzle pieces just keep fitting together and I’m so grateful.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, so you asked to be shown the way. So what was the thing that opened you that showed you the way to go forward with this?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Nothing. I’m just going with the flow. And puzzle pieces keep fitting together. People keep contacting me or I have done more National Geographic Channel, History Channel, all these shows, which is wonderful.
Alan Steinfeld
People are still contacting you 17 years later, you’re saying?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Yeah, I just did a National Geographic interview that’s going to be on UK came in town a couple of weeks ago.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’m happy you’re going to be at Contact in the Desert. I think that’ll be a really great networking for other researchers. I think you’ll really appreciate that and some great people there.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Oh, I’m really looking forward to it too. There’s some wonderful names that I’ve never met and I really appreciate their work.
Alan Steinfeld
Who would you like to meet there that you haven’t met?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Erich von Däniken. He’s in my book, actually. And I know a few of the guys there and I…
Alan Steinfeld
Linda Moulton Howe, I think is really brilliant. And Richard Dolan is a great guy. And most of these researchers, they’re very serious people. This is…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No, absolutely. And that’s what’s important here. And most of the people at the conference are very serious about this topic and getting this information.
Alan Steinfeld
And actually the UFO Rock, have you ever been out to that part of the desert? There’s a big rock…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No, I haven’t. I haven’t.
Alan Steinfeld
Did you hear about UFO Rock where all these gatherings in the 50s where George Adamski took place? It’s not far from Joshua Tree.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Right. Right.
Alan Steinfeld
So you should definitely check that out.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
So it should be a really fun, wonderful conference and I’m honored to be a part of it. And I hope people come out to join us. I’m going to do a really cool lecture as well as show the documentary there in a workshop and there’s so much more to the story. I mean, we’ve just touched on the tip of the iceberg. There’s much more looking beneath the surface and I hope people will join us at Contact in the Desert and pick up the book and take a look at the documentary and come visit us there.
Alan Steinfeld
Let me just ask you one last question. Do you feel like there’s another part that might take place in the future, another chapter to this whole thing? Or is it now up to us to bring it out there or you? Or is there more coming?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
No, I absolutely feel that every little piece helps. Everybody brings a different expertise to the table and it’s really important that the people that are out there like this conference join forces and whatever their expertise is, adding it to the wonderful pot of information and helping other people to learn and grow that want to partake. And I do think that it’s definitely progressing. I mean, I see it here in Arizona. The transformation alone just in the media and in the people here. People are so much more open, people are looking up, people are out with their cameras.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, last year we had over 700 people at Contact in the Desert. This year, I think we’ll have more. So it’s…
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Good. Good. Tremendous. Tremendous. Yeah, people want to learn now. I think that the veil is slowly but surely lifting. And we’ll be there to help give that information out there. And you’ll be there, Alan?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, I’m going to be hosting, emceeing one of the stages out there. So I look forward to meeting you for sure.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Absolutely. That’ll be wonderful. Thank you so much for letting me share the information.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’m fascinated like you with the subject. And there’s such a mystery and such a bigger picture to this whole thing that it’s very exciting. Whatever level of research people are doing, wherever they’re coming from, to put together these big pieces to show our connection to something even larger than who we thought we are. And that’s why I’m excited.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Yeah, it’s wonderful. And I tell people all the time, keep looking up.
Alan Steinfeld
And your website again, your website?
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Is www.thephoenixlights.net. The Phoenix Lights Network. And also we have a Phoenix Lights Network Facebook page. And I invite people to take a peek at that because I usually post every week at least something really fun and exciting. There’s lots of information. And I’ll leave you with this. When I came forward in 2004, the accepted and the only explanation that was really out there, except certainly for the witnesses and investigators, was that the Phoenix Lights were merely military illumination flares. Well, not just me, because we know that lots of wonderful people have come forward and joined in sharing, including our former governor, that now, when people worldwide see similar phenomena and just go on YouTube and look up Phoenix Lights, it’ll blow you away. They’ll look up to the sky and say, ‘Whoa, there’s the Phoenix Lights!’ And that’s really gratifying. And also, when people read the book, I’ve heard over and over again, for those out there listening who have had an experience and can’t deal with it or don’t know how to deal with it, the book also, The Phoenix Lights: A Skeptic’s Discovery That We Are Not Alone, which is at a great discount right now, by the way, on Amazon and Kindle. I didn’t even realize till it came out that it really through my own transformation helps other people in theirs. So I welcome people to take a peek at it and thank you again for having me.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I just want to say the whole idea of the Phoenix itself is key to this spiritual transformation, this awakening of the whole myth of the Phoenix bursting into flames and then rising from the ashes.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Rising from the ashes. And just rising. So hopefully we’ll all rise to a…
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think we are. Thank you, Dr. Lynne. And I look forward to seeing you in August.
Dr. Lynne Kitei
Okay, we’ll see you soon. Thank you. Bye bye.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, that was Dr. Lynne Kitei of the Phoenix Lights. And yes, she is going to be in Joshua Tree, August 8th to the 11th, 2014. I’m actually giving away, well there’s a ticket contest. If you can enter the contest to get two free tickets to Contact in the Desert, if you go to contactinthedesert.com/newrealities, you can enter a contest and possibly win two free tickets to the event. You can also register if you don’t want to wait to find out, because I don’t know how many people are entering that contest. You can just buy tickets on that website too. Thank you for listening. You can go to my website, newrealities. I’m Alan Steinfeld. And next week I’ll be talking to Yvonne Smith, who’s someone who’s really gone deep into investigating the abduction phenomena. Thanks for listening and look forward to hearing from you, seeing you next week, being with you next week. Thank you.