New Realities recorded on February 28, 2012
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews interdisciplinary cosmologist Paul Von Ward. They discuss the integration of science, metaphysics, and consciousness, the limitations imposed by Western religious and scientific paradigms, and the history of human interaction with advanced beings. Paul shares a personal childhood experience and emphasizes the importance of sharing encounters with multidimensional realities to foster a broader, unified worldview.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. In this program I explore an avenue of consciousness. I shift that we are making at this time in our culture in the advancement of our civilization. And a lot of that has to do with opening up to new ways of knowing and to a cosmic civilization that we’ve really always been a part of. And that’s what I’ll talk about tonight with my guest, Paul Von Ward, who wrote, We’ve Never Been Alone, and a bunch of other interesting insights that Paul has. Welcome, Paul. Welcome back to New Realities.
Paul Von Ward
Thank you very much, Alan. Delighted to be with you.
Alan Steinfeld
I know, it was about what, 15 years ago we did a television show in New York.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, that was a long time ago. I was living out on the West Coast at that time and now I’m back in Georgia north of Atlanta near my seven-year-old granddaughter which is why my wife and I ended up here in the Appalachian foothills.
Alan Steinfeld
I see. And you still write that the book I interviewed you about 15 or so years ago was the Solarian Man. Was that what it was called?
Paul Von Ward
Well it was called Solarian Legacy. That was a cosmology that encompassed the hermetic principles and the standard model of physics. And the last 10 or 12 years that has really evolved in terms of the advances in physics and consciousness studies and so it’s interesting how things unfold.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean you’ve really kept track of sort of the evolution of I would say the subculture that we’re a part of. The people that are looking towards the leading edge of science, spirituality, metaphysics for an integration of all these thoughts into a unified way of understanding the world. That’s what it seems like.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, I’ve tried to live up to my moniker which I gave to myself all those years ago. My goal was to be an interdisciplinary cosmologist and I’ve tried to stay abreast to the extent that one can with developments in genetics and physics, neuroscience, and consciousness studies. All of the, how do we describe it, all of our inner senses, our various dimensions of consciousness through which we communicate with each other and with other beings. And with people who have passed on. All of the areas that we’ve got so much evidence now to suggest that consciousness is the fundamental plenum, if you want to use that term from physics, of the universe. This is a conscious, self-evolving, self-actualizing universe and we’re part of that majestic phenomenon.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, I totally agree and I think we I’m trying to be like a multidisciplinary observer of the same fields you’re involved with because I think we both feel and I’m speaking perhaps is that it ultimately is one thing. Science, consciousness, metaphysics it’s about a deeper way of knowing who we are and the world. It’s really unified down there.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah I mean this is the conclusion that we have to draw at this point in time. You know we were so much influenced by the creation by humans of the supernatural theologies of Western culture and that divided our thinking about reality that you know here we are humans on this planet and science reinforced that and God’s angels and something of that order was a totally separate part of the universe and the divine side had to take the initiative to intervene or communicate with us as humans on this planet. And now we know that’s a totally fallacious view of reality because we’re all part of the whole thing with a continual flow of influence and information and contact and they’re just so many areas of evidence to suggest that you know we’re part of the whole thing and we are making our contribution just like all other conscious beings in the universe. So it becomes a situation where you know we can’t separate ourselves. We have to take responsibility for ourselves but at the same time we’re also impacted by all the rest. So it’s just a wonderful kind of dance that we humans are involved in.
Alan Steinfeld
Right so let me see if I get what you’re saying because I like what you’re saying because as you’re speaking it stimulates areas of connection for me. So you’re saying because of our Western religious model the other realms of being and consciousness and spirit in a way have been separated from our daily living and we’ve developed a sort of a special reverence for something that we’re separate from or that we’ve been told we’re separate from and you’re saying of course that we’re essentially not separate, it’s integrated, it’s all about all of us, right?
Paul Von Ward
Yeah that’s what I’m trying to express. And when I look back at history and look at the developments of theology, our worldviews that are based on assumptions we make about the reality of the universe. And when we look back at the history of all of these Western religions they were developed out of a misinterpretation or I think a deliberate misinterpretation of the human experience with more advanced beings than humans who intervened in our development on this planet when we were very primitive beings. And we took the accounts of this experience of intervention on the Earth by extraterrestrial extradimensional beings intervening in our evolutionary trajectory on this planet. And then you know all the early humans all of the ancient texts point to the reality of this intervention by more advanced beings in our own development and texts talk about that. But somewhere along the way about 2500 years or so ago the history of that interaction that intervention our involvement our participation in the life of this planet along with other beings and they had obviously pulled out of their direct role in our human civilization. But the priesthoods and the sort of hybrid royal families who were ruling over tribes of humans somewhere between 3,000 5,000 years ago started to morph that reality into this separate divine realm and then we started very much to depend on what the priesthood told us about ultimate reality and we as individuals and as a society separated ourselves then from that history of more advanced beings taking part in our own development. And that led to our what I call self-deprecating dependent fearful subservient with a sense of obeisance against the gods that we had created ourselves. And that gave us the kind of strife and fragmented culture that we have of everybody breaking off into parts of their own interpretations of this divine realm which was our creation that is the concept of that was our human creation in the first place.
Alan Steinfeld
And it seems like science has replaced the priesthood. So we’re being then caught between a religious fundamentalist dogma that says we’re separate from God and a scientific mechanistic paradigm that says there is no God and so there’s the human being who has been stuck in a kind of depressed psychological outlook about what was possible for us. So that is what’s changing with books that you’ve written and many others in this movement I would say.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah I think this is not unique to me. I think there is a significant movement of this effort to expand our knowledge of ourselves and our past to encompass the physical beings of other species or sub-species of this humanoid life form that we’re a part of. We’ve separated ourselves from all of that. And you’re exactly right because the standard model of science is just as fundamentalist is in terms of the religious world view of a fundamentalist perspective where there’s simply the black and white perspective. We have no nuancing between science and religion for the most part. But as you mentioned, a lot of people now are trying to fill in that gap and that comes from people who come from a physics background for example who now are expanding their models to include consciousness at many levels of activity in the universe. And you’re getting it also then I think from the religious fundamentalist supernatural point of view by opening itself up to recognition of this past that got us off track from our own self-development evolutionary trajectory.
Alan Steinfeld
Right so I totally agree with you and I think this is what 2012 is about if we want to call it that. I know you have a lot to say about that maybe we’ll get to 2012 but I do think whatever you want to call it this time is about the rejoining the remembering of who we are. And it comes down to me I mean everything you also say in the book We’ve Never Been Alone and you outline the whole history around the planet throughout the world’s religions of our contact with advanced beings whether they’re extraterrestrial or gods or divine beings. But it comes down to me besides all the things you say states of consciousness a state of consciousness that we can witness these other beings when we’re in a kind of altered state or a higher state or a and this is what it seems like no one really talks about this idea of states of consciousness whether it’s through meditation or other forms of practice. There seems to be an interaction at least in what I feel in my case I’ve met beings but I wasn’t in let’s say a beta state or whatever you call that brainwave I was an altered state and I was able then to perceive other realities. Does that make sense?
Paul Von Ward
Yeah I think so. Obviously we have many different levels of experience. I have not myself practiced the shamanic tradition for example which is one example of expanding one’s consciousness open the opening the lenses of consciousness as perhaps a metaphor for thinking about expanding our ability to access other dimensions and other beings. I have had experiences of that type but I haven’t made it a tradition or a practice as many people have. We’ve also you know have people who are very easily susceptible to channel the information from other dimensions and once again I’ve dabbled in that area for myself but I depend on a lot of other people who spend a great deal more time and focus to serve as channels to other other dimensions communicating with other beings. So I guess what I’m doing is I’ve worked a little bit in all of these areas and have enough friends and colleagues who share their material with me that I see myself as sort of a synthesizer of these areas of consciousness that humans can access. And at the same time, I have done research with so many people who feel that they have had physical, down-to-earth, tangible, empirical contact with other beings as well. So it’s a spectrum there from, you know, a face-to-face physical encounter all the way to a very deep, totally psychically and consciously open to material from other realms. And we’re left then with the need to try to corroborate information from all this range of sources. And that’s one of the things that I’ve tried to focus on is to work with people who have information through these various channels and then find ways to verify it in our 3D, 4D reality or at least to have parallel information coming through different individuals and from different sources to see if there’s some sort of level of correlation from one source to the other before I make some conclusions or inferences from this information. And for example, one area of this is the whole idea of survival after death or reincarnation, dealing with that area using this approach, trying to get data from so many different sources and then see how they mesh over time.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, but you know, I know your research has been great and you’ve been at it so long, but besides all your research, there is a passion in you. There’s a feeling. I mean, if you could talk about your personal experiences because there must be something in you that drives you to make these connections, to be a bridge and a synthesizer. So I know that because I’ve met you and I know who you are and I’ve heard you speak on Coast to Coast and other places that there is something in you that’s driving you there. And if you want to talk about any of your personal experiences, I would love to hear what it is that you find in yourself that calls you to this.
Paul Von Ward
You know, it’s hard to know where to start. I guess the earliest experience that I had, and this is I was so young that you could hardly say that it had a significant impact on my whole life. But when I was about four and five years old, I lived in the woods, literally, on a sharecropper’s farm in Northwest Florida at the end of World War II. And that’ll tell you how old I am. But I didn’t remember this directly myself when I was growing up in my teens and so on. But my family members kept telling me about my visits out in the woods with these two friends that I would come back into the house with my siblings and parents and I would tell them about things that these friends told me out in the woods. And their name was Wok and Wokam. And you know, my parents then would, we’d go to large family gatherings of relatives around the area and I would become the object of conversation as my parents and siblings would describe the things that I talked about. And then I, as we do in most instances, these childhood memories get buried, you know, overlaid by new experiences and what we learn in school and all of that. So I think that something, I had some sort of experience that I don’t know exactly what it was, but it certainly had an impact on me and from that time on I had this sort of questioning, sort of standing outside of oneself point of view. And the next little point in that story is that I was a rural bumpkin going only to the local fundamentalist church that everyone in that little part of the woods attended. And at age 12 I was frightened to death if I didn’t go down and tell the minister that I was going to accept Jesus as my savior and I just wanted to be baptized tomorrow because I knew if I died the next day I would go to hell. And so I had that experience. But the next day after the baptism in Coldwater Creek, I went to the service on Sunday morning and I started challenging the minister about some of the things he was saying. Inconsistencies in his theology and the logic that he was using to browbeat us psychologically to keep us in control and contributing our money and so on to the church. And that started this questioning, trying to look into the sort of deeper level of things. And it was a trajectory that was not a complete turnabout at a moment in time, but it took me several years to grow up in the church, to become an ordained minister, to get involved in the role of being one of the priests, being one of the messengers of God, being the spokesperson for the religion and so on. But at the same time there was this gnawing kind of pulling inside that, you know, you’re doing things and you’re practicing methods of both seducing and browbeating people to accept your theology. And that’s not appropriate. So I finally in my early twenties moved on out to a broader world view than fundamentalist Protestant belief systems and started looking into the cultures of the world in college, getting into religious perspectives, comparative religious perspectives. And on and on. So it’s a long story, but it seems to me that you’ve hit on the key point there is that there was something in me from the beginning that sent me on this path of being an iconoclast. I mean, I haven’t ever found a class I didn’t like to break up. So anyhow.
Alan Steinfeld
But no, I think it’s important because you come from a culture and you evolved beyond it, but you can also see how many people are still stuck without judging them, trying not to judge people, but you know, they’re stuck in that way of thinking that limits who they are, and what is possible in the world. And you know, you were fortunate because you had enough intelligence or whatever mysticism that set you free. But what do we do about, you know, probably a lot of the people you grew up with that stayed that way and limited their human experience perhaps? I don’t know. I guess I’m asking you, to see a big shift that’s happening and everybody’s watching the football game, so.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, I have sort of developed a theoretical framework for that sort of personal experience that I described there. And I really think there is something to the notion of reincarnation, the notion of survival of consciousness, whether it’s in physical form or other forms. And I’ve come to believe that we are all, we consist of a field of information, a field of knowledge, experience, a sort of an epigenetic form that, like in quantum physics where we see the particle come into expression in material form and then it’s out of that and then it comes back. And I think that we as conscious organisms are analogous to that. We are much more complex obviously with our totality of physical matter, energetic forms and fields and pure consciousness itself. And that somehow we are part of this whole self-evolving, self-learning universe. And that as we accrue or accumulate experience, insight, skills, talents, whatever words we want to apply to ourselves, we continue on this trajectory for who knows how long. Perhaps it started at the very beginning for us as individuals that we are the product of a template of a particular kind of being, and I use the word humanoid perhaps as a, it’s more than just humans, it’s a whole template of conscious beings that exist in many parts of the universe. And that we’re evolving and we’re contributing to that process. And at some point we’re likely to merge into larger fields of consciousness so that the individualism that we have in this experience on Planet Earth and in between, that we join forces as it were in even more powerful areas of creativity. And I sort of, that’s what I carry around inside my head, you know, that I’m in this moment in time. I’m who I am and doing what I’m doing at the moment, but the roots are all in the past and the potential is in the future. And that we’re all connected at the same time in this process.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you see a time where we actually then openly acknowledge these what you call ABs, Advanced Beings, Extraterrestrials? I’m hoping that there’s a time where our civilization openly embraces these other forms of consciousness, so it becomes an everyday matter.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, that’s what I spent the last couple of chapters in the book, We’ve Never Been Alone, sort of talking about that. It seems to me that we need to begin to have sort of public discussions about our experiences just as you and I are having right now. But we need to expand this into the public arena. We’ve had this issue of separation of church and state, and we resist the fundamentalist attempts to force a theocracy on the rest of society. And we have the resistance of the secular, so-called humanistic atheistic community that is very much set in its own worldview, a very limited one. And we need to somehow find a way to say, okay, we’re not trying to impose this on other people. None of us should be trying to impose our worldviews on the political process, on the economic process, on the social process. These things are personal. So let’s get our personal experiences, our personal views out in the open and share them. And I think as people begin to share their experiences with these more advanced levels of consciousness and whenever I do little. All group discussions about this, people began to delve into their own little carpet bag of experiences and memories, and they began to share things that are very much like the things I’m trying to share. And it doesn’t matter their religion or their academic or scientific discipline and so on. We are finding common ground, and I just think we need to do more of it publicly. Now obviously, a show like yours and other conferences and areas of communication on the internet and so on, I think this is happening. But it seems to me that we ought to be more brave about it. We need to be more willing to stand up and be counted about our views of this multidimensional universe.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I totally agree. I think the biggest problem people have, and I think it’s the problem everyone has when we’re shifting worldviews is that we’re presented with the world, you look around you, you’re in a home, you have your furniture, floor, ceiling. I mean everything is very ordinary, regular, sitting at your desk, we’re talking through Skype. Everything is so ordinary, and yet we’re coming along, people like us are saying, no, no, no, this is not all it. There are so many other multi-dimensions and yet where are they? People look around, they’re watching the television, where? So that’s sort of the bridge I think we have to join. These two sides is like the average everyday mundane world and this world that people like us, me and you, are calling multi-dimensional reality or these advanced beings. Well, where are they? How come they’re not in the living room with me? I’m just trying to be very practical about these two sides. So what do I say to those people to say, well, you talk about all these, you’ve written a whole long book and there’s probably thousands of books about the presence of these beings and other beings, but where are they? How come they’re not in my living room?
Paul Von Ward
Right. No, that is the real challenge. And in my efforts to try to grapple with this conundrum is that I try to bring information, insights from these other dimensions that I can speak to my friends and colleagues about, which is about things which there are connections in the lives of these people. And I’ll just give you an example. I have a couple of wonderful good friends. One is a neuroscientist working in cutting edge research for behavioral issues and problems based in his neuroscience experiments and work. And his wife is a world-class violinist who has had 50 years of practice and world acclaim. And so the two of them, he comes from this very physical standard model of science. And she comes from this intuitive mystical past where she knows things about people that they don’t even know about themselves, or they are surprised when she has such insight into their lives and why they have behaved a particular way in our community. So this is a couple that epitomizes the dichotomy that you see here. So I try to involve them in discussions where they are beginning to confirm between themselves that this world does exist, that this level of communication and knowledge actually deals with things in their lives and our lives of the community, in terms of knowledge about what’s going on in people’s lives, insights into events that are taking place some place else on the planet, communications through these dimensions with members of their family in on other continents, that sort of thing. So when we have those kind of discussions where the violinist and her intuition gets validated by my experience and her husband’s experience, and I think we’re making some progress. He’s opening up and she’s getting some grounding and I’m getting some evidence and insight.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s easy for the metaphysician or the intuitive to accept the physical neuroscience worldview, but it’s not so easy for the scientist to expand beyond that to accept the metaphysical.
Paul Von Ward
No, you’re exactly right. We just were together for dinner last Saturday evening. And what you’ve just described happens. But over the last year, there has been movement on the neuroscientist’s point of view. And so I think that that’s an example of the difficulty of changing worldviews. But that the more we talk about them as worldviews, we will, we’re making more progress. And that’s the way the evolution of consciousness works. You cannot for any extended period of time, you can fool people sometimes by forcing ideas on them. But if they’re going to deal with new ideas and expand their concepts to encompass these different dimensions, they’re going to have to learn it for themselves. And I know 10 years ago I was really an evangelist for new science and new consciousness studies and so on. And now I’m not an evangelist for that. I’m a witness from my own personal experience and let it fall where it may and let people react to it as they wish. So it’s a different approach.
Alan Steinfeld
No, I think people will, I think there is an evolution of consciousness whether people like it or not. It may take a few generations, a couple of hundred years, but there probably will be a point where everyone might feel the way we feel, that these other realms and these other beings and states are possible. But that sort of gets us back to this idea that we’ve never been alone. And the two kind of polarities that are presented in that discussion are the Jacques Vallee point of view, that these beings, these UFOs are sort of interdimensional, they’re sort of of consciousness or they’re not, they’ve always been here and they’ve never been really here for us in a way. They’ve never been part of our reality, they come in and out of our reality, but they’re not based in our reality. That’s one side. And then there’s the Whitley Strieber who says, no, we need to accept and believe and know that they’re here and then they will make themselves known. That’s sort of a rough overview. That’s my analysis. So what do you think about that?
Paul Von Ward
Well, I think you’ve posed the dichotomy there and the dilemma for talking about it and dealing with it. But I think that we have, whether these areas of new technologies, new concepts in science and so forth. Some people would think they are the gifts of these interdimensional or more advanced beings. I think that we do have considerable evidence that humans have been helped along the way in terms of technology, in terms of scientific insights and so on.
Alan Steinfeld
What’s the evidence? Just while you’re on that point, what specifically?
Paul Von Ward
Well, I go back to let’s just take Phil Corso’s book some years ago, where he alleged that the DARPA agency, the Defense Advanced Research Program Agency, having information presented to humans by non-human beings and that this information was sort of passed on to the private sector through the DARPA mechanism. And this included things like the transistor and other material innovations. The notion that these concepts came from either reverse engineering of advanced technologies that were made available to humans or the concepts themselves were passed on to humans, and then these were put into the human R&D program and the results were the kind of computers and communication technology that we have now. Now that’s, we don’t have the direct chain of evidence that’s available publicly, but I think a lot of people feel, including myself, that there was such a chain of passing on of advanced technology.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I agree. I mean, I think of course the whole Roswell cover-up is evident that somebody doesn’t want us to know what’s really going on. And I do think when we fully acknowledge as a culture, as a government, who’s been interacting with us, that is going to shift the way we think about the world. And Richard Dolan says this in his book, AD After Disclosure, and I agree that it’s going to change everything we know about ourselves, our potential as creative beings, it’s going to open up whole new possibilities that we never thought of before to deal with our current economic, social crises that we’re in. So there’s a lot at stake.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, I think that it has to be a gradual process. I know when I was first engaged in this area of research back when I was still in government and Washington DC, and the State Department and the Foreign Service, I began to be very much interested in these areas of research and history. And I had no, while I was in government, I had no real access to any of these programs that are held so tightly at this point in time. I did have an understanding from the intelligence directives that came to me in the embassy, for example, when I was in the American Embassy in Paris, France many years ago. I knew from those communications to those of us in the field that there was a program to scoop up any evidence that suggested that these sources existed. And we were given instructions of what to do if we found artifacts and things.
Alan Steinfeld
What department were you in?
Paul Von Ward
Well, I was in the Navy on active duty for a few years and then I was appointed to the Foreign Service and served in the diplomatic service overseas and in Washington DC for about 15 years. So I was never deeply involved in any of these sorts of activities. Everything is so segmented in government, you have to be very much on a select basis given access to these kinds of information. But I was in the general system able to understand that part of my colleagues, some of my colleagues were interested in and active in these areas. And so excuse me, go ahead.
Alan Steinfeld
No, no. You were told that if you came across anything extraterrestrial, there are certain procedures that you must do in dealing with this substance?
Paul Von Ward
That’s right. We were instructed that if anything that appeared that seemed to be from the skies or technology that seemed to be of an extraordinary type that we were to tell the governments in the countries that we were working in that that happened to be space junk from our own space program and that they should give it to us immediately without any further questions and so on, and that we were to pack it up in a certain way and identify it and send it to Washington.
Alan Steinfeld
You were told that because you were told then purposely to lie to these other governments or were you told that because that’s what they wanted you to believe too, that it was space junk?
Paul Von Ward
It was both. I mean, in other words, this was the cover for anything that was strange or out of the ordinary. We would label it ipso facto as something that we were working on in our space program and it was something that we really couldn’t talk to them about it, and it was our property. In other words, we the United States had the right to scoop it up and send it back to Washington.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow, that’s new to me. That’s a new one. I thought I heard all the inside stories, I’m sure I haven’t, but I wonder how many times that’s happened. And so that does confirm that there’s a real organized underground branch of the government somehow that’s in on holding these secrets.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, after I’ve been out of government, you know, for over 25 years, so there are many things that have happened since then. And it has gotten much more sophisticated and much more compartmentalized than it was 30 or 40 years ago. So I have no idea how things are going inside at this point, other than the reports that you and I and anyone else can read about in the UFO, MUFON literature and conferences discussing these sorts of things.
Alan Steinfeld
But when you got that instruction, weren’t you immediately suspicious of the whole government cover-up to begin with?
Paul Von Ward
No, I was rather naive in those days. And it was only in retrospect that I put the numbers together. But at least I had the information. It was a tangible piece of paper on my desk, a top secret intelligence directive that was there. So that’s very much consistent with the MJ-12 stories that many people have written a lot about. It was consistent with that sort of operation.
Alan Steinfeld
We’re almost out of time, and it’s been really fascinating. Getting back to ‘We Were Never Alone,’ let’s talk how do we integrate these other levels into creating a unified society.
Paul Von Ward
Well, what I’m trying to do with people now is to work with people who are dealing with artifacts, tangible text, and materials from the what’s called the ancient astronaut theory. And trying to work with people in that area with current researchers in the UFO ET community and then have them in some sort of communication channels with people who are dealing with what I call the extra-dimensional levels of consciousness, in terms of channeled material, in terms of consciousness studies, remote viewing, telepathy, all of these what I call our subtle senses. Because I think if we all begin to see what we’re doing in these different areas as part of the whole, I think we’re going to get a much more complete and congruent view of this both past and present, our normal reality that we’re operating in at the moment and these other dimensions. I just think it’s, we have to bring these different areas of researchers together and to put their pieces of the puzzle on the table. And then I think we’re going to much more quickly begin to develop an integrated view of this complex reality that we’re talking about. And so I’m taking part in conferences and working with people in books that they’re writing and things that I’m writing so that we’re sharing in a way that I haven’t, and I think most of us haven’t done over the last 15 or 20 years.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I want to send you the book I’m writing now, which is a real, it is an integration of all these ideas of ETs and states of consciousness and how we bridge those through different levels of the mind. And it’s a real concrete situation I’m dealing with. So as soon as I finish this manuscript, maybe you can look at it actually.
Paul Von Ward
I think that’s the kind of contribution that you can make, and that other people, if we all try to work together in that general direction, we’ll probably move up to another plateau of understanding.
Alan Steinfeld
Definitely, and it’s very, very exciting. It feels like we are on the cusp of something, doesn’t it?
Paul Von Ward
I think so, you know, a few years ago I was really getting rather frustrated and disheartened about the fragmentation and the sniping among different groups and so on. And that’s still going on, but I think we’re beginning to see people recognizing that they don’t have the whole story, they don’t have the crucial piece. They have just a piece that has to be fit together with a lot of other people’s work. And I think that we’re going to make some progress in this decade anyway.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, definitely. I know we didn’t get really a chance to talk about 2012 and the myths, and there are a lot of myths, but what isn’t a myth, I think, well it’s a myth on some level, is that what 2012 does is redirect us as galactic beings. This alignment with the center of the galaxy, our sun and the earth reorientates who we are within a bigger framework. So if 2012 isn’t anything, it is about being galactic as a system. Do you know what I mean?
Paul Von Ward
No, that’s exactly right. It puts us in the center of the picture, but we recognize that it’s a hell of a big picture.
Alan Steinfeld
It widens our window and widens our view. We’re no longer just in a solar system with these planets. It opens the landscape, and I think just that will start to rearrange cognitive functions in our brain somehow.
Paul Von Ward
I fully agree with that. And I think that we need to just, rather than fighting against all of the naive, simplistic myths that are out there, we just go with the flow because it is opening all of our perspectives even if we don’t agree with all the predictions and prophecies and that sort of thing.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, I mean people always want to predict doom, it makes them feel good or something. I don’t know, it’s just ridiculous. But I think it’s a very positive, uplifting time and one where the planet’s getting smaller and something big somehow in human consciousness is about to happen, a unified field perhaps.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, I think that we have more of these neural networks at a physical level opening up and I think the subtle senses, inner ways of knowing are opening up as well. And I’m getting more excited now than anytime I have been in the last 10 years frankly, about this movement of consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
Great, me too. Thank you for sharing your work and I hope to do it again, do another interview at some point.
Paul Von Ward
Thank you so much, Alan. It’s been a pleasure and I’ve enjoyed it very, very much.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. So how can people find you? Just give us your website.
Paul Von Ward
Yeah, it’s just very simple, www.vonward.com. That’s V like in Victor, O-N-W-A-R-D dot com.
Alan Steinfeld
And that’s how they find all your latest books and you’re writing some new books, right? I’m sure.
Paul Von Ward
Right, yep.
Alan Steinfeld
Great. I enjoyed it too and I enjoyed your insights and I really think we think alike in some ways in this area of consciousness and evolution and ETs and where we’re going. So I look forward to talking to you again. Thanks, Paul.
Paul Von Ward
Thanks so much now.
Alan Steinfeld
I’ve been talking to Paul Von Ward, author of one of his books is ‘We’ve Never Been Alone.’ If you want to hear this interview again, it’ll be on PBS. Some of the other books are ‘Our Solarian Legacy’ and ‘The Soul Genome,’ science and reincarnation. Sound like great topics of discussion. Thanks for listening. This is New Realities, I’m Alan Steinfeld. If you want to reach me, email me at newrealities@earthlink.net. Or check my website newrealities.com. Thanks for listening.