New Realities recorded on March 10, 2009
Summary
Alan Steinfeld hosts Shawn and Clay Pickering to discuss their insights from a government informant regarding extraterrestrial disclosure and contact. They detail a planned disclosure process leading up to contact with a highly evolved, silicon-based ET race known as the “conformers” around the year 2017. The guests explain that these ETs are observing Earth with an agenda related to an impending Extinction Level Event (ELE). The ETs are willing to share holistic agricultural technology and help preserve a sample of humanity, but only if humans can peacefully stabilize and reduce their population without resorting to destructive methods. The conversation highlights the massive societal, governmental, and academic shifts required to accept this new reality.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
This is Alan Steinfeld and New Realities. That was just Duke Williams and the Extremes, who was actually singing about his own encounters with UFOs. And we’re going to be picking up the conversation where we left off last week with Shawn and Clay Pickering. They’ve been talking about a government informant, or informant, who has been talking to them about the coming disclosure. Well, anyway, Shawn, why don’t you pick up and recap what we talked about last week, and we’ll take it to the next step, okay?
Shawn Pickering
Last week we discussed how Clay and I had met an individual connected to a branch of service who actually interfaced with three particular ET races. One of which was, or is, a silicon-based life form ET. Another is a reptilian, and another is a tall white. He’s part of a program connected to a contact scenario that was presented to him through the interface with these ETs. The contact scenario dictates that this particular silicon-based life form will appear in 2017 over various cities. I don’t say selected because we have no idea at this point whether or not there’s a selection process ongoing. Our source, we call him Source A, was part of a UN meeting that took place February 12, 2008. He was assigned to explore the possibility of getting some of this information out to nation-states, giving it to a branch, a level within the pyramid, we call it the pyramid of control. High mid-level bureaucratic people that get things done. Their task was to take the information, pass it on, work with it, and then eventually pass on the results to the diplomatic corps. From the diplomatic corps, it is to go to nation-state representatives. At that point, they would decide exactly how to go about disclosure. That is, the human process of disclosing the presence of ETs on our planet prior to the contact date of 2017. I want to reiterate to our listeners that there’s a difference between disclosure and contact. Disclosure is a human process. It concerns only human beings. The ETs are not concerned with disclosure. Only humans are, and they’re disclosing the information which has been covered up for some 60 years. So the ETs do not concern themselves. This is our game in terms of disclosure. They’re only concerned with the physical manifestation of contact. They’ve dictated a date of 2017. On that date, they’ll appear over various cities and they’ll stay for a period of time to ensure that it is unambiguous.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you mean unambiguous?
Clay Pickering
People see them, and there is absolutely no denial. Did you want to offer something, Clay?
Shawn Pickering
No, people, people. At that point, based on our reaction to this particular ET race sitting over various cities, and we don’t know the cities, they will decide whether or not they’re going to stay or whether they’re going to leave. If they leave, it’s because the people on the planet simply reject or cannot handle the presence of ETs. And essentially, at the end of the day, they’ll say, see you later boys, we’ll see you in another 200 plus years or whatever timeframe that they choose. And we’ll have to wait and see them at a later date. If we embrace it, then it’ll be a matter at that point whether or not we, as a human species, do certain things that will allow the particular ET race to seed technology to us to help us stabilize and move towards a more healthy, stabilized population. That’s the issue we’ll be discussing. The post-contact scenario, what’s going to happen if they do in fact stay.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Now just to back up or just to reiterate, where are we in this human disclosure process of talking to diplomats and nation-states? Where is that at right now?
Shawn Pickering
That’s very difficult to say because our guy, our contact, is no longer assigned to that specific program. That is a completely different program. The person that succeeded him is handling it. We don’t know who that person is. Our source has told us that he does not know who this person is. He may know who the person is, but he simply hasn’t conveyed it to us. We’ve asked, he says he doesn’t know. Now he may know and can’t tell us, or he actually does not know. But at the end of the day, this particular person that succeeded our guy is at this point hammering out the details of what needs to be done to facilitate disclosure. Because the overarching objective to disclosure is to do it in such a way where people that have committed crimes over the last 60 years get immunity.
Alan Steinfeld
Crimes such as covering up this huge government secret, actually that’s the crime.
Shawn Pickering
Yeah. I mean, it is believed that certain people have been killed over this. People that had very sensitive information. They’ve been eliminated, they’ve been what they call liquidated. That would be the immunity against prosecution of murder. People that have lost their job. People in the aerospace industry that have leaked out information. People that have been prosecuted for revealing secrets. You know, they have paid the penalty of being, as they say, whistleblowers.
Clay Pickering
Keep in mind too, this is Clay, Alan. Keep in mind too that when you deal with amnesty or immunity, you’re dealing with every single government organization that we can even imagine involved in the space industry or involved in high technology that deals with this issue. So, for instance, NASA, can you imagine NASA and the people who are aware of the phenomena, who have may have had the information classified that they cannot come out and say? Or those who have said and have suffered the repercussions from this? So, I mean, we can just imagine the lawsuits that would take effect if in fact there was litigation. And also the loss of goodwill on the part of the government itself. The government comes out, elements of the government that come out, we’ll call them the military-industrial complex. These people that run things in between transnational corporations and government that know about the phenomenon, they’re going to have to come out and say, yeah, we’ve known about it for 60 years. And the public is going to say, well, why didn’t you tell us?
Shawn Pickering
Just to reinforce that point, Alan, the Honorable Paul Hellyer, who was the equivalent to our Defense Secretary in Canada, labeled it two forms of government. The permanent government, which is the second and third tier of corporate officials who revolve between government and corporations, and our elected government, which the government is elected by the people but they’re not permanent. That’s the revolving door of the people who are not in the know.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. So let me ask you what happened to your informant, who is he working for now? And is it related to this area?
Shawn Pickering
He is technically in the status of he’s active but not actually assigned to anything.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Okay, just wondering if he has more information for you.
Shawn Pickering
So technically he would be technically AWOL.
Alan Steinfeld
AWOL, right.
Clay Pickering
Alan, this might help. Shawn, you may want to mention, without giving any names, your friend who challenged you about our guy’s status. In relation to his status. This might help.
Shawn Pickering
I have a friend who’s been part of the army in the status of being active but not actually serving. And I said to my friend that our guy is in reserve, he’s now non-active. He goes, well, if you say he’s doing what he’s doing, then he is still active. I said, so what you’re saying is he’s essentially AWOL? And he says, exactly. And our source has said to us that that’s kind of this murky area he’s in because what it is is they, once they deactivate you, then you have to go through the whole process, bureaucratic process of getting reactivated. So what they do is they kind of put you in this sleeper, I hate to use that term, this non-active mode where when the opportunity comes up, when the need for you to be engaged in a particular program comes to be, then you just simply appear. There’s no paperwork necessary.
Clay Pickering
So keep in mind, our guy tried to resign his commission in the mid to late 80s and he was not allowed. So essentially, he got quite annoyed about it, said, okay, see ya. But when he said see ya, he could not say see ya on paper. He may have said, see ya, I’m going to do my thing and go somewhere else.
Alan Steinfeld
Alright, let’s let’s talk about the conformers, but also because your guy is sort of AWOL, you’re not getting any new information, right?
Shawn Pickering
Correct. He’s not AWOL on paper. He’s AWOL.
Alan Steinfeld
But because he’s not in the program anymore, your source has kind of hit a dead end.
Shawn Pickering
Our source has only hit a dead end as far as we know with the UN information. In other words, he is not part of those meetings now, which is this is something we knew that was going to happen even when we first were aware that our source was part of it, and he knew it too. So the point being is that he knew that this was going to be handed off at some point. However, that was expedited because our source was brought into another program, and this is the contact program with extraterrestrials. So he will not in all likelihood, he will not be a part of any diplomatic dialogue between UN representatives or not. But I can’t say that’s a guarantee. There’s always that possibility.
Alan Steinfeld
So your source is now in touch with what we’re calling the conformers, this ET race that’s going to be over our cities in 2017. Is that right?
Shawn Pickering
At the exact moment, he’s not interfaced with him recently, but if the need arises, yes, he would he would be called into interface.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, so let’s talk about the conformers. My first question, of course, and what someone who was listening to the program last week said, what are they waiting for? Why 2017? What has taken them so long? And yeah, just explain that.
Shawn Pickering
Well, that’s an excellent question, and again, you have to put on your inference hat here. I think the 2017 date was agreed upon with players either outside direct contact with our source, or our source has not told us who these players are, but I think there was an agreement that 2017 date would be far enough in the future where they that whereby humans could initiate the disclosure process, get it going so that when the contact date actually happens, there won’t be chaos. So I think the 2017 date was an agreed date. I believe that the conformers probably said, we’re going to appear, and then I think it was probably hashed out the date. Either that or they’ve determined the date. They being the conformers have determined the date for whatever reasons they have decided. It’s 2017, so take your pick. I don’t know the answer.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, so you said the conformers are sort of, let’s say, over the reptilians and the tall whites. But they don’t have anything to do with the grays, but I heard that the grays are actually working with reptilians. I know I’m getting kind of complicated.
Shawn Pickering
Well, the thing this is the problem with this whole ET mess is that we only know what we know within this program. Let me say it again. We only know what we know within this program. The tall whites, the tall whites and the reptilians tend to defer to the conformers. This is something our source has said when he puts his military hat on and has observed the situation through interaction. So he says, I believe that the reptilians and the tall whites probably defer to this this particular species. Hence why we have never heard or or have seen these particular ETs in the history of ufology. We don’t know. This is this is another tier our source believes that we’re working with. Now, this is his military happen. He puts his son this is what he’s speculating down with the grays with our source with this particular program, the retilines load them, the conformers appear not to have or un willing to interject or impede what their grays are doing. They may not approve. This is again, our source’s military headers on. It appears if conformers do not approve what the grays are doing, but what we do understand is that there are separate agendas. There are agendas within agendas, programs within programs, and not just below, as above, so below. So we can infer that even with ETs is that there’s there’s a multiple number of programs, and they don’t always work with each other.
Clay Pickering
From what our source viewed, it seemed like the conformers are running the show. Okay. It seemed. It appears to be.
Shawn Pickering
Let me give you a human example. If ET were to come down to Earth for the first time in view our structure, they’re going to see the Secretary General of the UN. And they’re going to say, oh, well, he’s the guy that leaves everything. No, that’s not exactly true. Because it was an agreement that humans made to appoint him Secretary General and he will be sector or she will be Secretary General for a period of time. So this is the same scenario with the ETs. We’re not sure the decision process that took place whereby certain ETs defer to the conformers. We don’t know that.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, so let’s talk about a little bit more about who and what the conformers are and their agenda. I mean, do they care? From what you said last week, they really care about the planet Earth and they care about humans. Is that is that true? They want us to evolve?
Shawn Pickering
Well, here’s the let’s let’s keep this in mind, okay? We’re using a human word called care. Okay. All right. However, according to our source, they are an incredibly logical species. They’re Spock a thousand times over. So what it appears to our source, when he puts his military hat on, again, because the conformers do not talk, they do not convey emotion or feeling, you cannot read them. So when our source puts his military hat on, he gets a sense that these are highly evolved spiritual entities and that they understand the bioconnectivity of the Earth and how it relates not just to humans, but to every living creature on this planet and how well-connected we are. They understand the interconnectedness to it. They also understand how fragile human beings are in terms of their environment. They understand that we need lice, mosquitoes, we need bacteria to survive. They understand, it seems like they understand our biology very well. And since they understand our biology very well, they’re concerned that if we don’t, you know, that concern is not, they’re aware that if we don’t protect our environment, this very evolving species they deem humans may not be here very long. They’re very concerned about overpopulation. I asked our source once. I said, one of the reasons he thinks that the conformers have come to the US representives of the United States is that they look at certain societies where they have a fairly stable stable population as a society that’s fairly evolved, which means that they’ve reached their balance point. The US population is fairly stable. So I think it could be just a simple logical choice that populations where it’s overpopulated, they look at the overpopulated society as something less evolved.
Clay Pickering
Keep this in mind too. This is a very old, I mean in our time frame human time frame, this is a very old species. So they have probably seen civilizations rise and fall. We can assume this, okay? We can assume this because according to our source the conformers are not from this solar system. Okay. They don’t have a concept of a home, right? There is no concept of a home from what we gather.
Alan Steinfeld
Do they live on a ship or where do they live?
Shawn Pickering
Well, I cannot name specifically a planet within our system or an asteroid or what not. But yes, they have a base on an orb in our solar system. Right. But yes, you could say that they move about through the, at least we could say through the Milky Way, through interstellar means.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, but they do have a temporary base somewhere in our solar system, is what you’re saying.
Shawn Pickering
Yes. Yeah, I think temporary is a fair word to say. I don’t think that they intend to stay. Temporary could mean 10,000, 20,000 years. Keep that in mind, right? For them it’s temporary. Their concept of time is very different. For us it seems permanent.
Alan Steinfeld
But somewhere in our solar system they are presently located. Just observing our progress.
Shawn Pickering
Correct.
Alan Steinfeld
And maybe listening to this conversation, right?
Shawn Pickering
Doubtful.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. But, um, let’s get back to this understanding. Human are connected to the planet, but is the planet itself part of a greater ecosphere of the solar system and the galaxy? Do they have that understanding?
Shawn Pickering
Absolutely. I I think so. I think someone, this gentleman from uh, that I like him, his name is Hamstrong, I hope he’s listening. You know, I really think that we’re a big way station out here and that we’re a big Walmart or food mart. And I mean this planet offers so much. So I think there’s, and this is what we mean about agendas within agendas. For instance, the grays may need biological material for whatever they they need it for, human DNA. The tall whites may need resources from this planet and they really don’t want to interfere. They’re willing to trade some technology in order to, in order to not to be interfered with. So we can we can guess that there’s many of different agendas. But I think the overarching agenda for the conformers is that they’re here to view this big event. And that is an extinction-level event that will happen on our planet probably within two to 10,000 years.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you mean an extinction level event? What does that mean?
Shawn Pickering
Our planet goes through extinction level events every so often. Okay. Where a species that die off. Is that what you’re saying? Well hold on, when we mean ex this is important, okay, and I hope people own this stuff are listening. ELE means that extinction level event, it means life wiped off the planet. A punctuated catastrophe means just that. It’s punctuated but not all life is wiped out, that means including human life. So when we when the conformers talk about an ELE, they mean an ELE where everything is wiped out. 60 million years ago and the story is that a meteor, an asteroid came in to our solar system, hit the Yucatan peninsula and wiped out what was the dinosaur age. But humans survived. I mean there were humans that
Alan Steinfeld
So in this next event that’s coming from you said within the next 10,000 years?
Shawn Pickering
We don’t know when. 2,000 to 10,000 years is a guesstimate at best. Let’s back up here. This could happen 10 days from now, let’s just say, okay. 10 days from now or 10,000 years. We don’t know. It’s not a question of if it happens, it’s a question of when. Now people may say, well, you know, that’s not even, that’s so far off, not to the conformers. The conformers’ concept of time is it’s right around the corner. And from what we get from our source is that we need to prepare, people need to prepare. They need they need to be educated about the fact that we do have these ELEs. That we have a water shortage problem. That we have a population problem. And that there might be a way for the human race to survive. Well, I think to to we’re getting a just a little ahead of ourselves. Let’s let’s stop and let’s examine the ELE event, okay? They they are interested in us. They are amazed at our technological evolment over the last hundred years. If an extinction, when an extinction level event comes, they’re afraid that after the extinction level event happens, an intelligent species that evolves on our planet after the ELE may not reach this apex, may not be as innovative as humans are now. In other words, are we humans the best and the brightest that the planet has ever produced? And that’s the big question. That’s a big question. So the debate is whether or not to save us.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. You’re saying they they are here to save us if we can welcome them with openness, is that it?
Shawn Pickering
No, I want I want to answer this one because I’ve been I want to hammer OMF again. Okay. Is that no, the openness is not the issues. The issue is that we must, besides taking care of the planet, we must lower, excuse me, we must stabilize our population. We must take care of our ecological environment. And we must also part of it is educating people about ELEs. Now, on population, I’ll let Shawn go in about the PDF on what population means. It’s a logistical thing here. If if they’re going to save us, they’re going to have to stick us in some space-based platform for a period of time when the planet goes through its EL EV event and heals itself, okay? During that time, the conformers have to replicate before this when they bring a sample of humanity up to this space-based platform. They’re going to have to replicate our environment because human beings are very, very, very reliant on our environment. They’re going to have to bring up lice. They’re going to have to bring up mosquitoes. They’re going to have to bring up ants. They’re going to have to bring up bacteria. Noah’s ark, right. Lice, fleas. A Noah’s ark, so to speak. Exactly. We’re fragile. Now here’s the thing. This is where where the population issue comes very, very, becomes very, very important. In order to have a stable genetic sample that exists in a space-based platform over a period of time, it must be 2% of a population. That a total population that they can handle. Okay, so so say you have 100 people, your population is 100 people and they can save two people, okay?
Alan Steinfeld
Well let’s say we have 10 billion people. What is that? They can only save 200 million or something?
Shawn Pickering
Well here’s the issue. In order for humanity to live in space, that sample has to be genetically stable. But it has to be a number that they can handle. They cannot save a million people. They can maybe save 500,000. Okay. Now in order for the 500,000 person sample to be genetically stable, you have to organically bring down your total population. According to the conformers, what they can deal with is if they have a sample, 2% of the sample population have to be 2% of what 1.5, 2 billion, is that correct? Yes. Okay, so we take 2% of that and that’s what they can take because that genetic sample would be of a variety or a strain of two billion people, not seven billion people or nine billion people. So it would be 2% of 1.5 billion would give you a genetically stable sample.
Alan Steinfeld
1.5 billion. Okay, so 2% of 1.5. Okay, so it’s about 100 or 300,000, I think, if my math is right. Anyway, it’s not not very much.
Shawn Pickering
Well, 10% would be 150 million. Yeah. And so 1% would be 1.5 million, so double that about 3 million, I guess. 3 million people, they’re going to take 3 million people out of the whole planet in. But here’s the trick. The 2%, the genetically stable population has to be from a population that’s been reduced to 1.5 million to ensure genetic stability in the sample, got it? This is why they’re fixated on population reduction. Because they can’t help us with a population of 7 billion people. But we have to we have to stabilize and reduce on our own. They cannot do that. We cannot do this. I don’t want to digress here. We do not, what’s not acceptable for the conformers or we call the ethical ETs, and for humans in general, is that we cannot reduce our population through the Malthusian policies of nuclear, chemical, biological, or any other means to reduce population. That is not acceptable. Because what ends up happening is selected samples of the population get wiped out, others don’t, and you don’t have a genetically stable sample. Got it? It’s got to be
Alan Steinfeld
I get that, I get that. So it has to be a kind of volunteer, um, next evolution of our own collective humanity that says. Correct. And it has to be done over time. Right. Now, when is this ELE? I mean, I know you don’t know, but what will cause, if you say if they’re so certain it’s coming, they must know what what’s going to cause this ELE.
Shawn Pickering
Well, let me give you an example. Just recently, just recently in talking with our guy, he said, hey, did you have you heard about the asteroid that came within 40,000 miles of the planet? And he said, well people don’t realize is that they may have picked that up maybe 10 days before, but they may have not known exactly where its path was. They knew it was going to come close to Earth, but maybe they knew within two days that it was going to miss by 40,000, but let’s just say that they knew it was going to hit the Earth. You know, we couldn’t evacuate areas fast enough, it would create more confusion and problems, and scare. It just, it would have been logistically and tactically impossible to move that many people in such a short amount of time. But the point is that that particular asteroid would have caused a major, major tsunami had it hit in the ocean and would have caused a catastrophe in a certain expanse of area if it hit land. So that is an example where that would have been a punctuated catastrophe, not an ELE. Something far larger. Such what Shawn just mentioned earlier, then we have a problem.
Alan Steinfeld
Well like I’ll give you an example, what’s been offered is what they call mega volcanoes. You have the mega volcano in the Yellowstone area. If that pops, that could be an extinction level event. Because it creates a nuclear winter. So they don’t know what it is that’s going to happen, they just know something at some point.
Shawn Pickering
We can’t say that, we can’t say that. All we can say is they haven’t told us. Oh, so they might know that we’re on track for a meteor and nothing. They might, they might not, I don’t know. They do have a great respect for the planet, the planet’s ability to heal itself. The planet’s ability to create intelligent life. They’re really, from what our guy gleans, they’re really reticent about stepping into that process that nature starts and puts forth and continues. They’re more interested to see how nature evolves in its totality than to interfere with it. Right.
Clay Pickering
And human beings of course are part of nature and the genius of humanity is an aspect of the creative force of nature. The whole Gaia concept, the whole systems theory concept of how our ecology works, they’re not going to step in and monkey with that. Right, okay. Because our system is our system. It produces a certain type of life and they respect that. But it’s like this too, Alan. Is that can we not, as intelligent sentient beings in the cosmos, take hold, grab hold of our future and in the spirit of humankind, be able to protect all life on this planet and our life and to move forward in its technological phase so that we evolve and so that we may also become a spacefaring? We earn that right of passage. So there is, I don’t like to use the word, but I guess there is a Darwinian aspect to this. At least in terms of biological, spiritual life evolving. And I think the conformers have went through this process in other civilizations.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s certainly going to create what you deem Alan as a new reality. Well I just want to go back to something here. Well that’s the show you.
Shawn Pickering
This is, yeah, I think this is what I believe that to be real Alan is this is what Drake had talked about in the mirror actual probability one is that now we are in that cusp, can we survive the technological phase? Can we survive the spiritual phase? Can we get past some of the petty differences that face us and also some of the natural events, these natural cataclysmic cycles that happen that the conformers are aware of? Can we move forward and make decisions that will protect us, that will allow us that ability to move among the stars I guess. Well also, you know, what we’ve offered in the past, in the previous interview and what I want to offer now is that, as you say, Alan, a new reality. Now, part of the new reality, if we, if we stabilize our population, they said that they will provide food technology. Now, this has been clarified to us. When they say food technology to feed humanity, we don’t mean that they’re going to give us like cubes and we’re all going to eat it and we can eat forever. Essentially they’ll teach us how, they’ll teach us how to increase the productive yield of free range chickens, say. Or they’ll help us organically develop safe insect resistant grains. That kind of thing.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
Shawn Pickering
But they believe, hold on Clay, they believe that our food source has to be a healthy food source, which means free range. Caged chickens are not healthy. Right, right, right, right. Because the stress in the organism itself, the chicken secretes enzymes that are harmful. Bioengineered foods are not healthy. Right. There’s a holistic, if we can use the word, a holistic approach to the health of how we are, how we conduct ourselves or how we fit within our ecological environment, but also depends on what we eat. You know, we are what we put inside ourselves. So there is a truth to that. And I think what Shawn started out. Also, the healthy food source would by definition demand a reduction in population because you
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. No, no, it just all goes along with what you’re saying about the conformers is that they’re really interested in the interaction of nature and life forms and ecology in general. Sure. I mean, there was, there was, if anyone can get a hold of this film, it was done in 19, I believe 1990, called Mindwalk. Oh, I see that. Yeah.
Shawn Pickering
Yes, it’s with Liv Ullmann, Sam Waterston, and John Heard. And it takes place in Mont Saint-Michel. It’s a poet, a politician, and a physicist. Get together and they discuss systems theory. The book is based on a book called The Turning Point, written by Fritjof Capra. And Beth Capra, his son, did the film. Right. Okay. That’s a wonderful idea of systems theory, the examination of it. Okay. That everything exists within the ecology and overriding ecology. And this is seems like the philosophy of the conformers. I mean, from what you’re saying. That’s where they The philosophy of conformers in a concise note would be that the planet generates food source. And our species must maintain a reasonable population in order for us to enjoy the food source without hurting the planet or ourselves.
Alan Steinfeld
Uh-huh. Now, how do they look? Yeah, that totally makes sense where we are here to live in harmony with the planet. And for some reason they’re they’re fascinated by that because maybe in their own biological makeup there’s something that they’ve come to terms with. I don’t know, I mean. Highly doubtful. This is a silicon-based lifeform. They’re rocks. They’re rocks.
Shawn Pickering
Although that they, although they understand our biology very well, their relationship, the food is very different from ours, if you can even call it food.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. But what do they actually look like then? The conformers.
Shawn Pickering
Just as an anecdote, our guy often says with the, with the conformers, silicon-based rocks, gems, jewel-like ceramic in their appearance, crystalline in their appearance. So he often jokes, he says, you know, these rocks understand rocks. Hence, asteroids or comets or what not, which would which would cause an ELE let’s let’s just say. So he often says that these rocks understand rocks. So, um, and he gets a kick out of it because there’s a lot of truth in what he’s saying at least in terms of that particular.
Alan Steinfeld
They’re actually quite beautiful, he said, you’d say, you know, if one were just to stand still, you could put it in the MoMA. Uh-huh. They’re like silicon crystal type beings that that that actually shape shift and move?
Shawn Pickering
Shape shift, maintaining the basic quality of what they are, which is rock. Well, sort of like the Thing from X-Men in a sense? I’ve never seen that actually, never seen the X-Men. But no, keep this in mind, they’re very gem-like, they’re jewel, they can shift their shape, but it’s still crystalline structure. It can, for instance, it’s dimensions would be 3 by 3, 3 by 3 by 5 feet, you know, 5 feet tall. 3 feet tall, 3 feet, let’s just say, wide, maybe 2 feet wide and 5 feet tall, but they can change their structure, they can elongate, they can produce these crystalline flake-like appendages that seem to come out as many as they want to be able to perform a task. But we don’t know, we suspect, our source suspects that they’re very hot. But he doesn’t know, he was told by the reptilians during the interactions not to touch the conformers.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Okay. But anyway, what we’re coming up against with reality is.
Clay Pickering
Also, I think part of it has to do with narcissism is that we have a society now that’s completely narcissistic, not everybody obviously, but it breeds narcissism. And so we become, as I said earlier, very provincial in our attitude and sure-footed with what we think we know. And I think that’s very dangerous. So John Stuart Mill wrote a piece called On Liberty. And the basic premise of On Liberty was that the blessed eccentric has to be embraced. That person that believes in something outside the norm. When that happens, his knowledge affects the whole. And when it affects the whole, the whole is lifted to a higher reality. When you exclude the individual who challenges the norm, you’re really holding down or making more dense the entire body of humanity.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s exactly the reason I call my show New Realities because.
Shawn Pickering
It’s a Cartesian model.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. I know there’s more out there. I know we don’t know what it is, but if we stay open to the possibility that there’s more, the whole society will shift to a higher level of awareness.
Shawn Pickering
Right. And Alan, the biggest hurdle, one of the biggest, I shouldn’t say the biggest, but one of the biggest hurdles is the UFO community itself. Because ufology has been so fixated on UFO studies, say the grays. And they think that that’s all the reality is. Okay? Right. The universe is manifold. There are so many different ET races out there. If you can have one, you can have a hundred, so I mean, or a thousand. It also depends. But…
Alan Steinfeld
Carl Jung that said the biggest block to knowledge is thinking that we know, you know? So it’s like we really don’t know anything.
Shawn Pickering
Right. And the fear is, is that when ETs show up over cities in 2017, are the scientists going to take over and kick everybody out that has spent the time to understand the metaphysical journey of understanding the ET race all these years? Are they going to kick these people out and thrust upon this new ET reality their own 3D limitations?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you know, I mean, it’s always evolving. The scope of reality, I mean, that window, that little crack on reality, that window is opening wider and wider all the time. And we are about to hit a new threshold, it seems. A new a greater view. You know, the process of evolution is having greater eyes to see new new possibilities.
Shawn Pickering
Well, Clay always says it, you know, put the ships over the cities and let people look at them and adapt. It’s a short period of time, they have a period of time where they go through what we talked about last time, Schopenhauer’s elements, from denial to ridicule to acceptance.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Yeah, I need, you know, we need Noam Chomsky to walk out of his Harvard class and have to look at it and not ignore it and then have people ask him about it and then he has to go do his homework. So, but he has to go through all the elements of rage, of antipathy, just apathy, anything that would allow him to finally say, hey, you know, I’ve had my head stuck in the sand for so long and now I’ve got to go back and amend it. And it may not be that easy for these guys to do that. But it’s going to happen. And that is what you know, it’s great that you guys have done it because you are presenting knowledge to the public and I think it’s really important. Is there anything you’d like to say just to sum up these last two shows?
Shawn Pickering
I just want to say one thing, Alan, okay? That this is a process. Disclosure is a process. It’s going to take time. And since it’s going to take time, people have to be patient. Okay? It’s going to happen, it’s going to take time, people have to be patient. This is not something that’s going to happen, you know, tomorrow and all of a sudden everyone’s going to know. You know, Clay and I continually get pressure from people. Oh, we believe change is going to happen way before 2017. It may, it may not, but it’s a process.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re saying as the government says what would their first step be? They might say, oh, perhaps there’s life in outer space or something like that. It’s a very frustrating slow process but it’s going to take it’s going to go for the lowest common denominator, I think is what you’re saying, and try to bring the most dense as we are the most ignorant, shall we say, person to the level where they could consider the possibility that this is true.
Shawn Pickering
Yeah. That ignorance may be in academia, and it may not be the common man. But that’s the issue. Yeah. I mean, the notion in academia that looks hopelessly implausible.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Anything you want to say to just wrap it up because I think we’re running out of time.
Shawn Pickering
Clay and I we we thought this is really fantastic material in terms of this ET contact. We’ve wrestled with it. It’s not without doubt and fear on a certain level about the exotic nature of the information. But we believe this information to be true. And there has been enough steps taken by our guy to convince us without a shadow of a doubt it is a reality that this particular person went through.
Clay Pickering
Yeah, I concur with that.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, well thank you both so much for really, you know, being so passionate and getting the hard work to and doing the hard work so the rest of us can benefit from this knowledge and we’re all going to benefit from it. Alan, I do believe that. Keep doing what you’re doing, Alan. It’s just as important.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, thank you. I mean, I’m fascinated by it, you know, and I don’t accept all of it. I take it, I weigh it, and I see well, I’m open to it for sure. But, you know, seeing where does it fit in with my base of knowledge and how can I expand from what I’ve heard from you guys. So.
Shawn Pickering
Fair enough, Alan. But again, I got to remind you this is a process. Yeah. It’s a process for everyone though. It’s not just a process for the government and for the ETs. It’s a process for every single conscious being on the planet. It’s a process. Correct. Exactly right. And there are some explorers that are a little far ahead of us saying this is not only possible, this is in my reality. So that’s where we’re at now, I suppose. So.
Shawn Pickering
Right, I mean humanity had wrestled with the possibility of flight for hundreds of years. Thousands of years, but it finally happened.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate it. Do you have a website or anything?
Shawn Pickering
No, we don’t have a website because we don’t want the abuse, Alan. Okay, okay. I’ll give em my website. Listen, Open Minds Forum. My name, our name, excuse me, is Temporal. Please, folks, read the threads cover to cover and that’s where you want to go. Decide for yourself.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, thanks, guys. I’ve been talking to Shawn and Clay Pickering, top-notch investigators into the disclosure of the UFO realities and what’s coming in 2017. This is Alan Steinfeld for New Realities. Email me at newrealitiesearth@earthlink.net and watch my website newrealities.com for the latest.