New Realities recorded on July 31, 2021
Summary
In this interview, Alan Steinfeld speaks with Richard Doty, a controversial former counterintelligence officer for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Doty discusses his past role in spreading disinformation to protect classified military projects, including the infamous Paul Bennewitz case. He claims the US government has been aware of extraterrestrial life since the 1940s, detailing crash retrievals and interactions with various alien species, including a hostile race that inspired the Strategic Defense Initiative. Doty also shares his personal experience of seeing a live extraterrestrial and explains that a power struggle and fear of societal panic are the main reasons the government keeps this information secret.
Transcript
Richard Doty
Brought it up, an excellent point Alan. Absolutely excellent. ETs have some sort of connection or control within our government, and not just our government, I think other governments on this planet. I think you hit that spot right there.
Alan Steinfeld
Hopefully what we’re bringing today will be new information from insiders. That’s why we have a really special first guest here. There’s no one more inside than Richard Doty ladies and gentlemen.
Richard Doty
I was a counterintelligence officer for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. I tried to keep the programs secret. If a person saw a classified aircraft in and around Area 51, it was our job to convince that person that what you saw was maybe a UFO.
Alan Steinfeld
You find many controversial introductions about Richard on the internet, but I’ll just use the one that George Knapp wrote. Richard Doty is one of the most controversial figures in the history of ufology. Doty had a 20-year career with the Air Force, including years as a special agent for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, the AFOSI. During that time he was assigned to conduct surveillance on a scientist, Paul Bennewitz, who inadvertently acquired information about a classified Air Force program. Doty admits he fed disinformation to Bennewitz and to other UFO investigators, forged documents, muddied the waters. But since leaving the military, Doty has also worked as a military police and he is probably still very controversial. Thanks for being here, Richard. I know people have said a lot of things about you, but I want to hear the truth. You’re no longer working for Air Force Intelligence, right?
Richard Doty
That’s right. That’s right. I don’t work for Air Force Intelligence or any intelligence agency.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, don’t be offended by this question, but how do we know you’re still not working for them and you’re just saying you’re not working for them?
Richard Doty
Well, there’s a lot of controversy over that, but number one, I wouldn’t have any reason to. I left the intelligence agency back in 1988. Although people bring up the fact that I was brought back to active service in 91 and 93, but that had nothing to do with UFOs or disinformation, it had to do with what I did in Europe after the wall fell. So I work as a private investigator. I have no official connections with the United States government or intelligence community. I do have a lot of friends that still work within the intelligence community and they feed me a lot of information that I share with you. I shared it with you at the UFO Mega Con and with others. So no, I don’t work for any intelligence agency.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. But when you were working for one, what was your job? Because it’s still not clear because you’ve been so controversial, what exactly your job was working for these agencies. And especially in terms of UFO contact and all that.
Richard Doty
Well, I worked in counterintelligence. I was a counterintelligence officer and my job was to conduct counterintelligence operations. Most of those counterintelligence operations dealt with the protection of highly classified projects that the Air Force or other government agencies were working on. And if somebody strayed into one of those programs, it was my job to stray them out. And how we did that was, we used disinformation, although we didn’t call it disinformation. It was counterintelligence or deceptive operations where we tried to stray them away from the classified projects and protect that project. And that’s what I did.
Alan Steinfeld
The projects weren’t just UFO-related, they were other military weapons sort of projects, right?
Richard Doty
Right. For instance, the Paul Bennewitz case, he strayed upon a highly classified drone project that was occurring at Kirtland Air Force Base back in the early 80s. Drones were very, very classified, highly classified, very sensitive to the government because they were controlled by an airplane. They were launched from another bigger airplane and these drones would be flying around this controlling airplane. People would see that and think that this drone was in fact a UFO trying to attack or menace the bigger plane. And Paul Bennewitz strayed into that and it was my job to protect that highly classified project.
Alan Steinfeld
So your job wasn’t to just disinformation UFO investigators, it was really to keep people away from all these secret projects, right?
Richard Doty
Right. Yes. Unfortunately, just the way things worked for me, most of the projects I worked on had something to do with UFOs or ET contacts.
Alan Steinfeld
Can you explain what happened with Paul Bennewitz? They said that he was led to believe that he was looking at UFOs, but…
Richard Doty
I did a presentation a couple years ago at the UFO Convention on this where I laid everything out including witnesses. Paul was a scientist. He was a physicist. He owned a laboratory right outside Kirtland Air Force Base called Thunder Scientific Laboratory. He had a government contract. He made small sensors for submarines. Paul was a member of MUFON, APRO, he was a field investigator for MUFON. He was a believer in UFOs and ETs. When he photographed these objects and some of the other things that he did, collected signal intelligence from the base, and we learned about it, he actually called us. When I went to him, I gathered all the information, I went back and I wrote up a report and I sent it to headquarters. Headquarters advised me to protect those projects because he actually strayed upon two classified projects. Protect those projects at all means. And one of the things that I was supposed to do is convince him that what he was seeing was UFOs and not the classified drones. Well, you got to understand that Paul Bennewitz was already a believer in UFOs. He was already an investigator for MUFON. So when I went to him and I said simply, “Paul, don’t you think that what you photographed was UFOs, extraterrestrial?” He said “I know they are.” That’s all it took. I didn’t feed him disinformation, I didn’t drug him, I didn’t psychologically plant something in his mind. All I had to do was agree with him and that’s all it took.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s all it took for what exactly?
Richard Doty
For him to think that what he was seeing was UFOs and not classified drones.
Alan Steinfeld
So yeah. But he was led to believe that, so because you wanted to keep him away from what it really was. But didn’t he have sort of a breakdown because of that way of thinking?
Richard Doty
Well no, there were a lot of other factors involved in that breakdown.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. I was just curious what was going on. He had a mental breakdown because he thought he was seeing UFOs. That’s what the story is, right?
Richard Doty
Well there were a lot of other factors and players involved in this. Bill Moore, Allen Hynek…
Alan Steinfeld
Allen Hynek too?
Richard Doty
Allen Hynek, Leonard Stringfield, these people interfered with the investigation. They contacted Paul and they… Allen Hynek gave Paul a monitor, a computer monitor. Unbeknownst to us. Although Paul later told us that “Hey, Allen Hynek gave me this monitor and I’m supposed to use this monitor”. Well, it comes to… we don’t have time enough to go through the very…
Alan Steinfeld
We don’t have to go through the whole thing. I’m just wondering what happened though.
Richard Doty
But there were things happening in Paul’s life that we then later determined wasn’t coming from us or wasn’t coming from US intelligence. We didn’t know where it was coming from, such as the orb incident that happened in his house where an orb was flying around his house. Some of the things that he was seeing on the monitor that Hynek gave him. All those things added up. And so Paul went… you know he had a psychological episode. He had actually two of them. The first one wasn’t as bad as the second one. The first one, his family convinced him to see a psychiatrist. He did, he was admitted to the hospital for I think four or five days. And he, I visited him at the hospital. He got out of the hospital, I visited him at his office and I…
Alan Steinfeld
Did you visit him as a friend or as someone concerned or as part of the intelligence?
Richard Doty
No, I visited him as a friend. I became a good friend with Paul. A really, really good friend with him. And I just, you know I tried to convince Paul at that time, and this was after the operation was all over with, I mean the project was over with. This was in I think 87. I tried to convince Paul that what he saw was in fact something military. He wouldn’t believe me. He was convinced it was UFOs. And then the latter psychological case was well later, it was in 89-90 time frame when he had problems in his business. He had a business and he lost a government contract and he had a lot of financial problems. And that included in his diagnosis as having some kind of psychological episode. And that one put him in the hospital for quite a while.
Alan Steinfeld
But he was maybe seeing things. If he had that orb episode, he actually may have had some kind of experience as well. I’m just asking Richard about this because that’s been the most controversial case that people know Richard Doty for, so I just wanted to get the record straight on his side of that story. Now I’m going to go into what he knows about the actual disclosure on the government end. Let’s get into what the government really knows. You’ve been working behind the scenes and what are they not telling us from your perspective?
Richard Doty
I was briefed into a program back in 1978 that revealed to me that we recovered an extraterrestrial craft in Roswell, or actually near Corona, New Mexico in 1947. A second craft was found in 1949. We found a live alien at the first craft. He stayed alive until 1952. We’ve had an intermittent contact with extraterrestrial races ever since. And this was in 78 that I had briefing. And so we, the government knows the truth. They’ve been deceiving the American people ever since 1947. There has been a lot happening from 1947 on till present day. They’re continuously, the ETs are continuously visiting Earth. They’re responsible for abductions. And so, and they have an agenda. The ETs have an agenda. But you got to understand that these ETs are so advanced that it’s difficult for a human to understand them and understand what their agenda is. I mean, I certainly don’t know all of it. I know what I was briefed into, I know what I investigated, but I certainly don’t know the whole program.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you think, what have you been briefed about their alien agenda?
Richard Doty
I think there’s one particular race of ETs have a common good agenda, meaning they want to make friends, they want to understand us. And they’re non-hostile. But there are other races that are hostile. And that was the classical example was Reagan. Reagan was fully briefed into the program back in the 1980s when he became president in 1981. Some of that briefing has been leaked out. And one of the particular races that he was briefed on was hostile. And I think that, although I don’t know for sure, but I think that led to the Strategic Defense Initiative or Star Wars, where he wanted to protect the planet from an alien race. And he said that in a number of ways and times at different locations, at different venues. And so there is a hostile race out there and we have to protect Earth from those hostile ETs.
Alan Steinfeld
Well when you were briefed into the crash retrieval, did you actually see craft at any of the bases you worked at?
Richard Doty
Well, I certainly wasn’t around in 1947 but…
Alan Steinfeld
No, no. But after the…
Richard Doty
Okay I gotcha. The briefings that we received were films. Whatever the millimeter films were back in those days. 16mm I believe they were. And they were old army films and they showed the crash retrieval. They showed Truman at the scene of Corona. They showed the ET bodies. They showed autopsies. They showed these things. And then later on I saw pictures. I worked at Area 51. That’s a known fact that’s been proven that I actually was a counterintelligence officer at Area 51, Groom Lake complex. And I saw things fly out there that I couldn’t identify as being one of ours. I saw aircraft do things that our crafts couldn’t do and our pilots couldn’t have survived if they were inside these crafts. So I knew we had crafts out there. I was never briefed into the program that Bob Lazar was talking about. I was never under S4, I was never down there. I was at the S2 complex. I know that they had classified aerial aircrafts underground out there, but I was never briefed into that program.
Alan Steinfeld
But you also told me at lunch when I met you that you actually did see an alien at one of those bases. Is that true?
Richard Doty
That’s true. I actually saw a closed-circuit television camera at a facility that I went to. I was going there on an investigation. It was out at the annex of Papoose Lake. I walked into a building. I was cleared to get into that building. I went into a room, there was an OSI agent sitting at a table watching a monitor. And on that monitor was another, well two people, I don’t know who the two people were, interrogating or talking to this ET. Now it clearly was an extraterrestrial. I asked the OSI agent I said, “What are you looking at?” And he explained to me that they’re interrogating this ET and they’re at such and such a building, which wasn’t more than 100 feet away from where we were at. It was a different building, but it was close to where we were at. And this was a closed-circuit camera. What’s interesting in this interview that I was watching is that one of the agents in that room could read the telepathic thoughts of the ET, but the other person couldn’t. And so he was translating to this other agent what this ET was saying telepathically. Well, I was in there for I don’t know maybe 10 minutes when another person came in, a higher-ranking military official, and asked me for my badge. And I showed him my badge and he said, “You know you’re not cleared for this room.” So then I had to leave. But I already saw it. And I saw them and I saw the ET, and the ET was a tall grey.
Alan Steinfeld
A tall grey. A taller grey with a big head, big eyes?
Richard Doty
Big head, big eyes, large head, large eyes, no ears, small mouth. And it couldn’t make any sounds, that was one of those tall greys that couldn’t make the sounds, but it could communicate through telepathy.
Alan Steinfeld
And what was the message that the agent who was getting the telepathy was saying was coming from the ET?
Richard Doty
It was technical. They were trying to… the little that I was understanding… they were asking this ET about some technical materials or technical information about a craft. I wasn’t there at the beginning of the conversation so I only was there during that part of the conversation. So it was technical. He was trying to explain something about a drive, something about some kind of equipment. And I’m not a scientist so I can’t… I didn’t understand it.
Alan Steinfeld
But what you’ve just told us here is disclosure. You’ve blown the lid off here, and why… how come… why does the Senate Intelligence report start from the beginning as if nothing you’ve said ever happened or anyone has said, Bob Lazar, just never happened? Do they not know or are they just trying to fool the public?
Richard Doty
Well, let me give you an example. There’s a person that is currently working in DIA and he’s had contact with some of these people. I actually believe he has contact with Danny Sheehan. And he works for DIA. And he tells us come to me and ask me for the information that we have on ETs because he turned around when we were talking to him on a zoom link, he said all these filing cabinets behind me contain information about UFOs and if they would come to me I would share this with them if I had the permission to give it to them. So the government is only trying to cover their tracks and still deceive the American people because there’s so much information out there. In fact, I just provided from several sources of mine, I just provided people in Washington, Senator Marco Rubio’s office with a list of all the projects, classified projects that the Air Force did pertaining to UFOs, extraterrestrial contacts from 1980 to 1986 with case numbers and detailed descriptions. We gave that to the Senate. Now what they do from there, I don’t know. Now you gotta understand that the Air Force or the government did provide a classified briefing to certain senators. Now, they’re not telling us what that briefing is, but they’re telling us that it pertained to technology. And technology that we have pertaining to warp drives and anti-gravity devices and things like that. But they’re not telling us where that came from. And they didn’t tell the senators that got the briefing.
Alan Steinfeld
So, I mean this is so deep and complex. You think the Senate is just going to ignore it as if they never got anything from you and probably a lot of other people because they don’t know how to deal with this because it’s so complex?
Richard Doty
Well, I think one of the things they did was when myself, and I’m not the only one doing this, there’s others doing this. Okay, and we presented information to the Senate and what they’re doing with it, they turn it over to the Air Force. They said, ‘Okay, explain this.’ Now the Air Force is trying to explain going back. One of the particular captains, Air Force captains that was involved in the release says that he can only tell the public what other agencies within the government tells him. He can’t go and find this stuff on his own. So, what does that tell you? There’s a lot in the government that they don’t want us to know about. And they’re hiding it. And they’ll continue to hide it.
Alan Steinfeld
It seems like there’s, and maybe you would know this, there’s been some kind of fracture inside that government hold that there’s like another force, agency that’s coming forward and saying, ‘No,’ like Elizondo, maybe Elizondo’s leading this and saying, ‘It’s time to tell the people the truth.’ Do you think that’s what’s going on?
Richard Doty
I think it is. I think there’s a lot of people within the government. I know. I know there are. I talk to them. I just talked to a guy yesterday for four and a half hours on the phone and he works within NSA, and he’s telling me the same thing. I just want them to come to me and ask me because I’m going to tell them exactly what we have here. But they’re not doing that.
Alan Steinfeld
What, they just wanted to go, I mean some people just wanted to go, ‘Well, why hasn’t this guy come forward, become a whistleblower and say, look, you know, this is, I think Elizondo did that with Danny Sheehan. This is what I know, this is what they have.’ Is that possible to just come out and for someone to say that?
Richard Doty
Well, it’s gonna be up to him. It’s gonna be the individual. I mean I don’t know what, you know, he’s got a career to think about. I mean regardless of the whistleblower act that supposedly protects him, you’re destroyed if you come out and disclose things like that and things that the government doesn’t want you to disclose. So it’s up to the individual. I mean I could try to convince him to do it and I’ve tried to convince others to do it. But they’re saying, ‘You know I got a career. I got a family. I got a wife and two children. I just had a baby,’ and these things like that that they just don’t want to do. And you gotta understand that everything within the government pertaining to this subject is compartmented. You know just because one agency, one office within the CIA knows about it, doesn’t mean that all the other offices on that floor would know about it. Same way with NSA, same way with DIA or military intelligence.
Alan Steinfeld
So this is huge. If this guy has a file cabinet of information maybe going back to 47. There’s probably lots of people where, how do you think if you were in charge proceed with opening up the files and relating this to the public? What do you think?
Richard Doty
Well, you have to convince the executive branch. The military works for the executive branch. We have three equal branches of the government, civics basics, okay. Now the Senate, the legislative branch can only do so much. They can’t order the executive branch to do anything. Contrary to what that video was a few weeks ago about well the Senate can go in and do that, the Senate can’t do that. The Senate is a legislative body, and it’s the same as the House of Representatives. They only have certain powers. They can ask, they can request, but if the executive branch doesn’t want to turn that stuff over, they’re not gonna turn it over. And I actually don’t believe that the President of the United States, and I’m apolitical. I’m apolitical. I don’t believe the President of the United States has ever been briefed on it. Now I know people are going to say well he was a vice president under Obama, but I just don’t believe he has been. There are people, one particular very close relative of mine who works within the government. Works within the government, and he relates that he doesn’t think that anybody’s actually brought this to the President’s attention. And so somebody else, and I believe it’s going to be the Department of Defense, is running this show.
Alan Steinfeld
So they are bypassing the executive branch, sort of like a coup almost. They’re not telling the executive branch, which makes those executive decisions, what’s going on, so they don’t need to confront the issue. And how do we get past this kind of, you know, stuck moment, this impasse? I mean, that someone needs to talk to the president or somebody in charge. Who’s in charge? Yeah. What do you think?
Richard Doty
I agree that somebody needs to, a real true person with the absolute knowledge like my friend that has the filing cabinets behind him, six of them full of this information. They need to come forth in some manner. But then again, the government could stop that. I mean there are certain safeguards built in to highly classified special access programs, sensitive compartmented information. The document itself is controlled. The document has a cover that you can’t take off that prevents it from being copied. If it’s copied it burns up. You know, even in a regular copier, if exposed to certain lights it’s going to burn up.
Alan Steinfeld
It actually burns up. It actually, really?
Richard Doty
Yeah. Top secret compartmented information. And this was back in the 80s. I know now that there are even more sophisticated measures to protect these types of documents. But without the documents, and without the photographs, photographs are the same thing, you’re not going to be able to prove anything. You know I can sit here and say I saw this and this is real, but you know, if I had behind me in my filing cabinet, if I had something that I could show you, ‘Here’s the actual document,’ the truth will come out. And I think if that happens, if somebody brought out and presented it, the government’s gonna have to follow suit.
Alan Steinfeld
So what about Chris Mellon? He was the assistant deputy of defense under Obama, he must have had contact with Biden. Isn’t he the person, and he knows and he’s wanting to come forward, would he be the guy to say listen? But maybe Biden’s just not ready to deal with this. What do you think about Mellon? Yeah.
Richard Doty
Well, Chris Mellon had a great career. I don’t believe, I personally, and this is coming from me, my opinion is that he’s not telling the truth. He’s not telling everything that he knows because at a particular interview I saw him on television, when they asked him, he skirted that issue. ‘What do you know, what were you accessed to?’ He skirted that issue. So I think he knows. I don’t know how much he knows, but I think in the position that he was in, I think he had to have known something.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And maybe he’s not ready to reveal that. But it comes down to the big question, were you going to say something? Because I…
Richard Doty
No, no, go ahead.
Alan Steinfeld
No, the big question is why? What are they really hiding? If everything you say is true and the guy has all those filing cabinets back to 1947, what are they really hiding? I mean besides that there are aliens. Okay, but what are they really hiding?
Richard Doty
Well, it would open up a Pandora’s box. An enigma within an enigma, because if the government all of a sudden says, ‘You know what, we’ve lied to you since 1947. We do have a craft. We have crafts out at Area 51. We have reverse-engineered things. The aliens have given us things such as what Colonel Corso mentioned in his book, transistors and diodes and so forth. And now we want you to believe this.’ Now nobody’s going to believe the government at that point because they’ve lied to them for, you know, 70 years. They lied to the American people. Unless they come out and show us the crafts and show us the ETs that they have in captivity, then maybe they’ll believe them. The American people would believe them. But they’re not going to do that. They’re going to be embarrassed. They don’t know how to cover their tracks. There would be some type of religious probably revolt because there’s so much of this connected to religion. And then they have to explain the abductions. How are they going to explain the abductions? How are they going to explain that we, the United States government, can’t protect this seven-year-old girl from being abducted and subjected to implants and so forth and so on.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So, do you think another level since we’ve been dealing with these ETs, is that the ETs themselves, at least those maybe negative ones, want to maybe even be in control and not reveal that factor? So it’s not just the government, it might be ET manipulation. Is that possible?
Richard Doty
Ah, you brought up an excellent, excellent point Alan. Absolutely excellent. I’m one of the believers, and there’s people out there that believe that the ETs have some sort of connection or control within our government, and not just our government, I think other governments on this planet. I think you hit that spot right there. I think the ETs have some control. I don’t know what the controls are. But I’m not that briefed into it. And I think they’re somewhat in control, and I think our government knows that they’re in control, and so therefore the government doesn’t want to disclose it.
Alan Steinfeld
So they’re in control. Let’s say that’s true. I don’t know, but if they’re in control, what are they doing? What do you suspect? I mean, I know you weren’t briefed in it, but what do you suspect they’re in control of? What are they here for?
Richard Doty
Well, that goes back to that statement I made earlier is that these ETs are probably 10,000 years more advanced than we are. And it’s pretty ridiculous for us trying to understand an ET, how they think or what their agenda is. We can’t get into their minds. We only rely on what we know. We rely on our history and our values. We can’t understand them. And Dr. Hal Puthoff, who’s a brilliant scientist, brought this out, saying you people want us to understand this widget that we got from the ETs. And you gotta understand that this widget was made by a race that’s 10,000 years more technologically advanced than we are, and now you want us to try to understand it with our science. It just isn’t going to happen.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, it’s like giving an iPhone to a caveman just crawling out of the cave. But there’s more than one race, and some people say there are actually good races here protecting us, making sure we don’t blow ourselves up. What do you feel about the good versus bad aliens?
Richard Doty
No, I think there are. I think there are. I was never actually briefed into it, my own personal opinion is, I was briefed into five different alien races back in the 80s.
Alan Steinfeld
Five different, this is the one in the Reagan document, right?
Richard Doty
Yeah. This is what I was briefed in, I don’t know, maybe there are more now, I don’t know. And one of those races, Evens, were friendly. And they were the ones that were very concerned about the nuclear weapons and us using nuclear weapons. And remember, all this happened, they started visiting us after we tested the nuclear weapon here in New Mexico, Trinity site. And after we viciously dropped two atomic bombs on Japan in 1945 that killed, well over the years, 800,000 people. And I think after that, they even started visiting us. Trying to figure out, why are we doing this? Why are we destroying our planet? Why are we killing our own people? And I think that’s one of the reasons. There’s been some great books written about the connection between UFOs and nuclear weapons. Robert Hastings, who I personally don’t get along with, but he wrote a really great book about it. About the sightings over nuclear missile sites in Montana and other locations around the United States.
Alan Steinfeld
So maybe, I don’t know, I’m just sort of surmising that maybe the ETs that were in control of the government are sort of maybe losing their grip on it and these other beings are coming in because there seems to be more mass sightings around the world and there’s a shift in consciousness. Do you believe something like that might be going on?
Richard Doty
That’s very possible. And what the general public doesn’t know, and I just learned this last night, I told you I talked four hours with a friend who’s still within the government, NSA. He says the public only knows a fraction of the sightings and the contacts that Earth is having right now. The United States government, NSA, NRO, and the other agencies, they know the real dangers because they’re seeing all the different incidents of UFOs penetrating radar, penetrating classified storage areas, possibly… I don’t want to go into great details because I don’t know a whole lot about it, but the US government just located, they believe they located an alien base 500 miles southeast of Hawaii.
Alan Steinfeld
In the ocean, you mean? In the ocean?
Richard Doty
In the ocean, there’s a huge complex there. Underground, it’s like 5,000 feet, I don’t know the exact depth, but it’s quite deep. And there’s an entire complex down there that was photographed by a, I believe it was a Navy or a National Oceanic Administration ship. And now they’re trying to figure out what it is.
Alan Steinfeld
So would you say there’s like one person or a group, maybe it was Majestic at one point, that they get this UFO information and they keep it very tight behind those locked vaults? Who would that be, who do you think is behind this?
Richard Doty
Well, Truman was involved with trying to investigate everything. And this is the early stages of our intelligence services. The CIA just came into existence in 47 under the National Security Act, and actually not until 1948. The Air Force just came into existence. There were so many things that weren’t organized properly back in those days, and they were doing the best they could. But I believe the Air Force wanted to run with this program and wanted to do more. But I think the Central Intelligence Agency, they were… I mean I’ve talked to agents who retired that worked for them. They were convinced that what these UFOs actually were were Russian or Soviets back then. And they had to be totally convinced that no it’s not, these things are coming from outer space. And we didn’t know that until the late 50s and early 60s when we started launching satellites. We couldn’t see them except with earth-based telescopes. We couldn’t see these things out there. Now we can, we have satellites, we have things, we are trying to protect Earth nowadays. Back then we couldn’t. So it wasn’t organized to answer your question, it wasn’t organized, there were too many people trying to run things and somebody let it drop.
Alan Steinfeld
No, no, but now it’s organized. Someone in the military, you know there’s F-16s following the craft and then so that goes somewhere. Someone is making the decision to keep that under lock and key, right? Who are those people now making those decisions?
Richard Doty
Well, I believe it’s the Defense Intelligence Agency, DIA. When the Air Force closed Project Blue Book in 1969 after the Condon Report, the Air Force had all this information. I mean all these files, all this information. And now they’re asking some government agency, who wants this? Well, DIA raised their hand and said, we’ll take it. Number one, because DIA was a relatively new agency, they came into existence in 1961. And now DIA has to have a mission, they want to have a mission, oh we’ll take it. And I know for a fact they got the treasure house, the clearing house so to speak, of information on UFOs. What they did with it after that, and I know about the DIA’s involvement up to 1993, I don’t know who has it now today, but somebody has to be in control. There was an MJ-12 back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, up to the 80s. There still is some entity, maybe it’s not called MJ-12, but there’s some entity that’s controlling this. But I don’t know who it is.
Alan Steinfeld
You think the DIA might be in conflict with aspects of the Pentagon and the Navy in particular, and Fravor who’s come forward, and the UAP task force. It seems like there’s this tug of war going on? And that’s why they discredited Elizondo saying no, he never worked for AATIP. Do you think that’s going on on the deeper levels, there’s this battle?
Richard Doty
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, there definitely is. And people that still work within the government are saying that right now. I mean, they’re telling their senators the same exact thing that you just said. Is that there’s a feud not just necessarily one agency and another agency, but inside that agency, within DIA there’s a feud going on between one particular section and another section. Air Force is the same way. I mean, there’s a really, really big feud right now in the Air Force over the Space Force. And the Air Force doesn’t want to give the Space Force everything that they have. But under the act that created the Space Force, the Air Force has to give them all of it. So there’s a feud between a number of different agencies and military branches.
Alan
Was the Space Force created for alien interactions or for another reason, you think?
Richard Doty
I believe so, because there was a good article on the internet some time ago, a couple years ago, when Space Force was first proposed. Well it wasn’t proposed then, it was proposed back in the 80s. Reagan, Defense Secretary Weinberger proposed the Space Force. He had it all planned. The Air Force, there were two Air Force generals, one who was on TV not too long ago that said yeah, we proposed it back in 1979, 81, sometime back there. And Congress wouldn’t go along with it. And then again even under the first Bush administration, they wanted to create it under Bob Gates, he was the Secretary of Defense. No, and somehow it was stopped. Eventually under Trump, and I don’t know how Trump got it in there, not being political, but you know, was created under Trump and bought off by Congress.
Alan Steinfeld
How come you’re allowed to talk about this now? You just revealed a dozen secrets that no one has ever said who’s come forward recently. So why?
Richard Doty
Well I never read anything that I’m talking about right now in any kind of government documents. I’m just telling you what other people have told me. I can’t be prosecuted for that. If people do actual good searches on the internet, they can find out a lot of the stuff that I’m just talking about. So it’s not all classified. It’s not classified that I know. If it is classified, and somebody comes to me and says, you know what you just said on Alan’s show is classified. Okay, I’ll shut my mouth. But I don’t know that it’s classified. Everything that I had access to back in the 70s and 80s, I signed a security oath and I presented that security oath, I showed people that security oath, it was on my website until my website was hacked, and it’s over with. After 2003, I can talk about anything. That’s what the security oath says, yeah. And non-disclosure agreement says October 1st of 2003, it ceases to exist after that. I mean, there’s a lot of things that I know, really things that I know that I won’t talk about because I don’t want the Russians or the Chinese to get any of this information. But there’s a lot of things that I’ll talk about when the government starts lying and says, nah, that’s not right when I know that it is right. I know the UFOs have been here. I know they’re a danger. I know they’ve abducted people. Those things American people should know about.
Alan Steinfeld
If American people know about that, do you think it should come out like at a Senate Intelligence Committee with the president, vice president there saying, okay, we’re laying it all out on the table, this is what we know, and then we deal with it? Eventually, the truth, yeah, it might be an embarrassment, but the truth usually comes out and it’s usually hard for people to say, oh we’ve been covering it up, but that seems like the only way to go.
Richard Doty
Well, the truth shall set you free, as the CIA will say.
Alan Steinfeld
That will tick you off first, yes, yes.
Richard Doty
Exactly. I think that would be a great way of disclosing. But then again, the government can’t disclose everything if we’re developing some kind of secret weapon or secret aircraft, which I know we have, and we got it from the ETs, and we suddenly disclose everything that we got, it’s going to open up, like I said earlier, Pandora’s box. And I don’t think that will ever happen. I think the only way it’s going to happen is if somebody like Danny takes this all the way to a court where a judge or the US Supreme Court forces the government to release. And then again, you got the problem of equal branches of the government whereby the Supreme Court can’t order the executive branch to release something that the executive branch knows is classified. I mean, there’s so many other Pandora boxes that will prevent that from happening. But I think Danny’s on the right foot right now and I hope Danny continues his quest for this disclosure.
Alan Steinfeld
This is Danny Sheehan we’re talking about, who is Luis Elizondo’s lawyer. You just wrote a book, we’ll close up soon, but you just wrote a book that you had to submit before you could get it published and they redacted what, 300 pages in it? Right?
Richard Doty
Now see this is another proof that UFOs are real because in my book I had 700 and some pages, the manuscript was 700 and some pages. And when I submitted it to the government for review, they classified 374 pages, all pertaining to UFO stuff. Now, if the UFOs weren’t real, why would the government classify this stuff?
Alan Steinfeld
What was the most important thing in that book that you could tell us now that was redacted? Because you said you could talk about it, but you can’t write about it. What was in there?
Richard Doty
About an incident that happened that I was involved with peripherally, involving a landing of an ET craft, and an exchange of information with the United States government and a Vatican representative. That was, there’s not one word of that that the government will allow me to print. I even tried to rewrite it.
Alan Steinfeld
What year was that? Do you know?
Richard Doty
That was in the 1990s.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, I thought it might have been the Gordon Cooper incident where he, but that wasn’t the Edwards Air Force base landing.
Richard Doty
No, no, no, no, that was…
Alan Steinfeld
Richard, this has been a revelation and coming from inside the government. Thank you for opening up to what the truth is. And if you could say it here, I think the more you talk about this, the more people will get this is a real phenomenon and that definitely the government knows more. Anything you’d like to leave us with before you…
Richard Doty
Well, I’d like to thank Danny Sheehan and his team that is working on this disclosure project. I think the best chance that we have, American people and the UFO community have, for a full disclosure or even a partial disclosure is with Danny’s efforts.
Alan Steinfeld
Great. And would you be willing to talk in front of Congress about everything you know if you were called?
Richard Doty
I’ve already been in contact with Senator Rubio’s office. They called me, I’ve talked to him, I’ve sent him things. I told him I would, yes, absolutely.
Alan Steinfeld
So he’s just like trying to decide how are you going to tell the public all this stuff. Is that what you think is going on with Rubio?
Richard Doty
Yeah. His hands are tied. He can only ask the government for the information.
Alan Steinfeld
But he is the government. When you say ask the government, who do you mean by the government?
Richard Doty
I mean, he has to ask the executive branch. He’s a legislative branch. He has to ask the executive branch, the US military, for the information. Everything they have, well the government is never going to give them everything they have. One of his aides told me that flatly. He said, somebody within, I don’t know which agency, said there’s no way in the world you’re going to get all of it.
Alan Steinfeld
Why? Because is it corporate controlled somehow? The technology, is this it? Or you don’t know?
Richard Doty
Well, that’s another four hours of talking about. Yeah, there’s Skunk Works. Lockheed Skunk Works that have proprietary… yeah, that’s another Pandora’s box.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, we’ll go there. I’ll do another interview with you on my ET round table, okay, Richard?
Richard Doty
Okay. Okay Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
Thanks so much for your time. This has been really valuable. Neil, you want to come on? Because I think we just got disclosure here. How did you like what you heard? I thought it was pretty amazing.
Neil
Yeah, a lot of great information. Thank you, Richard, for showing up and just sharing your time with us and just definitely admitting and owning the past and then coming forward to really bring some light and shed some light on what’s been happening and helping us validate what we’ve known to be kind of a reality for some time but it wasn’t really validated on that level from anybody that was in the government or something like that. So you really allowed us to have more of this confirmation. So thank you so much, brother.
Richard Doty
You’re very welcome.
Alan Steinfeld
Richard Doty ladies and gentlemen, inside the government. I mean incredible. And talk to your friend about releasing those files.
Neil
I just want to say to everybody because you’re right, there was a lot of controversy in the chat rooms and I was just reading them all and just comments all over the place in regards to having Richard on. And we all have our past and sometimes people shift and they, like Richard for example, he shifted and now he’s coming out to explain a lot of information of what had happened, but it’s also important to use your own discernment and realize that people come from their own backgrounds, right? So if somebody’s, for example, in the military, they have an awakening and they want to tell people the truth, they also have a background that might be military based and they have certain belief systems that come from that. So it doesn’t mean that because that’s their foundational belief system that they’re part of some cabal, it means that that was their upbringing and their education was in this, therefore they’re going to come from that platform. So it’s important to use your discernment, but also to extract what piece of information fit within what you’re trying to figure out, instead of just throwing everything out. And that’s what’s happening here with these conversations is we’re attempting to explore these and talk to individuals that usually wouldn’t be on these platforms, so that we can ask them questions and try to see what really happened.
Alan Steinfeld
I think it’s important for people like Richard who were inside the government to come forward. He doesn’t seem to have an agenda now, I don’t think he’s working for anyone, he’s just trying to talk about what he knows and it seems like he really is for full disclosure. I think that was sincere.
Neil
Right, right. Yeah, all the information that he gave in regards to ET races and what was retracted from his book and all that, that’s pretty groundbreaking right there I would say.