New Realities recorded on October 21, 2023
Summary
Alan Steinfeld and Suzanne Ross interview Anita Moorjani about her upcoming appearance at the Sedona Ascension Retreats. They delve into her near-death experience, her perspectives on the state of the world, wars, and the power of consciousness. Anita emphasizes the importance of holding a high vibration of love and kindness instead of fighting against negative forces. They also discuss the illusion of separation, extraterrestrial and ultracelestial beings, healthy ego versus pure conscious awareness, and the current global shift towards higher consciousness and self-worth.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome back to New Realities. I’m Alan Steinfeld, and I’m joined again with Suzanne Ross, who is the founder and producer of the Sedona Ascension Retreats. And we’re joined by one of my favorite people, one of my very special guests and speaker, Anita Moorjani, who’s going to be appearing in Sedona March 8th to the 10th. Suzanne, do you have anything to say about that conference?
Suzanne Ross
Absolutely. You’re all invited. I feel really compelled to offer these Sedona Ascension Retreats annually in Sedona, and now at the magnificent Sedona Performing Arts Center. It’s my calling to gather together like-minded souls in the beautiful, magnificent red rock paradise of Sedona so that together we can really raise the collective consciousness. And that’s why I choose global thought leaders that are soul-inspired and heart-centered, like Anita Moorjani and many of these other world-renowned spiritual teachers and international best-selling authors. The messages they bring are elevating, inspiring, and empowering, and I invite you all to join us March 8th through 10th in 2024.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s going to be fantastic. Anita, thanks for joining me today and coming in March. And your message at this time about the kind of transcendent realities that are possible and how to live our lives here. I think it’s more important than ever. I mean, the world is at war. I don’t want to go too much into the political, but what do you say about these people really suffering and how… I don’t know what to say. What do you feel about what’s going on on the planet?
Anita Moorjani
Well, so I’m really sad, of course, about what’s going on. First of all, thank you for the introduction. Thank you for everything. I’m really delighted to be here and speaking to you both. The war and these kinds of things really, really sadden me, and they surprise me, and they shock me because I would have hoped that we, as a race, the human race, would have evolved beyond having to do things like that by now. I think that it’s really setting back consciousness when we see this kind of thing, and when we see the way it escalates, where each side has to outdo the other side. There is no good that can come out of it, the way these games are played, where each side feels they have to be more powerful and more violent in order to control the other side. No matter what you use to justify violence, it’s still violence. It’s not going to improve the situation. No matter what the opposing side has done, it’s still violence. It really does take at least one person to just say, enough, I’m going to stop, I’m not going to take it further. And it saddens me that there isn’t at least one country or one side to say that. So it saddens me that this is still going on.
Alan Steinfeld
But what is there a solution from your perspective, which is interdimensional or a higher… because you have that, and that stays with you because of your amazing near-death experience. Is there a solution to people’s… tell us.
Anita Moorjani
So there is a solution, and the solution doesn’t come from outside action as much as from inner action and causing a ripple effect outside. So, for example, if we were all as individuals, if we decided, every single one of us, if we decided we wanted peace, and if we sent peaceful thoughts, if we sent love, if we sent kindness, and if we practiced peace and we practiced kindness, we could actually send a ripple effect outward. What happens, what we tend to do is that we tend to react outwardly. We tend to fight against what we don’t want. And what we don’t often realize is that fighting against what we don’t want actually creates more of what we don’t want. But if we start to live what we do want, and we touch the people around us, it actually starts this ripple effect. So what I want to say from a consciousness perspective is that what happens with each of us as individuals is when we see things happening in the outside world, it angers us. And so then we respond to that anger with more anger. But if we responded with love and with kindness, we responded from the space of consciousness with love and kindness, we could change the world. But it needs more people to respond that way. So we need to show people, teach people, demonstrate it, be it, and see it working. Because one of the common things that happens, and this is from my perspective, I’m no expert on wars or politics or the news or any of that. Because of my experience on the other side, I know how consciousness works. I know how my consciousness shifted when I was on the other side. My consciousness shifted to the point where it caused a physical reaction in my body that defied anything that could have happened to me physically if they approached it from the physical. In other words, when you approach something from the consciousness, it magnifies it, it happens so much more effectively and faster than if you approach something from the physical. Basically, if we see something that angers us and we then react to it from the inside, from the conscious level, oh, I don’t like this, this is making me angry, I don’t like what’s happening in the world. What do I want to see in the world? I actually then start to work at it from the consciousness level. Let’s spread more love. Let’s spread more light. Let’s spread more peace. Let’s spread more kindness. Then we start to touch other people who do the same. So here’s what actually sets it back. What sets it back is when people see this, and this happens to me all the time, is when people see me doing what I do, and what they do is instead they kind of attack me, and they say, there’s people dying, there’s wars happening, and all you can do is spread love and joy. You’re so delusional, you’re living in a dream world, you’re living in a bubble. What they don’t realize is that energy that they’re holding and spreading, that fear that they’re spreading, that anger they’re spreading, is actually spreading more of what we don’t want. But I get where they’re coming from. I get it. It does kind of ignite an anger or a fear in you. But unfortunately, that is actually fueling the fire of the planet as opposed to quelling it. I hope that made sense.
Alan Steinfeld
No, that does. But the one thing I also I think people have to realize or do is forgiveness, even though there’s awful things happening. How do people find in themselves the ability to forgive such horrible things that have happened?
Anita Moorjani
So in a way, I’m going to say that it’s not for us to forgive or not forgive. That’s something that happens at the consciousness level. We should not be taking on the burden on a human level because that’s what depletes people. Really, if we can just do our part to just help to spread peace, to help those who are in pain, to help those who are in fear, to help alleviate the fear. One of the things that I don’t like is how much fear gets spread, not just about wars. Why do we have wars? It’s because we see people as being separate from us or see people as being enemies. Now I want you to think about this. Is the war actually between the people of the countries? No, it isn’t. It’s between a handful of politicians. If the people could have their way, you ask anybody in any country, anywhere, nobody wants war. They just want to get on with their lives. So who is making these decisions? These are the few handful of people that we have put into power. We have voted them into power. We have to stop doing that. We as a people have to start coming together, and it’s getting easier and easier to do that today with technology and with social media. We as a people have to stop spreading the hatred. We have to see through it. The other thing that I saw in my near-death experience when I was on the other side is I saw through the illusion. Some people don’t like it being called an illusion because this world feels very real, very painful, and very fearful for many, and I honor that and I respect that. But when you’re on the other side, when you lose your body, you actually see through all of that, and you see that you have I saw that I had fallen into believing certain people, certain factions, certain cultural beliefs, certain religious beliefs, certain medical beliefs. All of that is the illusion. It’s what we buy into. It’s what we believe. It’s who we believe. And all of these voices, the loudest voices among us, in our human race, the loudest voices seem to be spreading fear. And that’s what I saw through. I saw through the fear that was being spread by the people in power. And I decided that I’m not going to buy into those voices anymore because I’ve seen through it. I’ve seen the truth. I’ve seen that we’re not meant to be living in fear. And it is with that fear that we are able to be manipulated into going into war or into seeing other people as an enemy, or into believing that we are just a victim of our illnesses and so on and on. It’s because we buy into the fear, and we will then do anything to try and get out of the fear, and so we become very easy to manipulate. But as soon as you see through it, then that’s what sets you free.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that’s our conditioning since birth. Like you are this, and you live here, and this is who you are, and you identify with false things that make you think things are real. Like John Lennon said, imagine no religion, imagine no countries. That’s the world I think is possible. And we’re hopefully because I think the internet you’re right, and the conferences Suzanne is doing, and you, is bringing together this global awareness that consciousness people spirit is the thing, and there’s no religion and country that owns that.
Anita Moorjani
Exactly. That’s how it is on the other side. There is no religion. People fight over religion here, claiming that their religion is what we’re going to experience when we cross over. And some people don’t like it when I say this, but none of that is true. None of it. There is no religion on the other side.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s why your message is so important because you this is not philosophy you’re talking or things you’ve learned as a theology. This is your real experience, and that’s why coming back and coming speaking to the world is one of the most important things anyone can do. I mean, I know Suzanne feels that way. Suzanne, you want to jump in?
Suzanne Ross
One of the things that really stood out for me was your omniscience and omnipresence as you transcended into the higher realm. And I feel like that’s an important message. And one of the things that you may be trying to convey about the conditions of the world today is that for one, consciousness transcends, love transcends. And as such, there is a oneness. And so when we hold the higher vibration of love, light, healing with an intention to transcend the suffering, and we don’t buy into the lower frequency of the fear and the control and the power, that we spread that across the shared field of a collective consciousness. And then in that way, we step into this omniscient consciousness, right? Where we’re trying to hold that higher vibration that transcends the suffering of all since we are so intricately interconnected in this field of collective consciousness.
Anita Moorjani
Yes. Yes. You surmised it very well. 100%. Thank you.
Alan Steinfeld
So where I want to go with all this is that yeah, there’s wars and awful things happening, and there seems to be a shift in the field of consciousness. More people are open to what you’re saying, Anita, and what lots of people in the human potential movement. And then there’s this other thing we’ve talked about just before on the phone that there seems to be a break in the world views about are we alone in the universe and not, and the government’s coming forward and there’s cracks inside that secrecy. And you had some really important things to say I feel about this extraterrestrial existence. It might be interdimensional. So do you want to share some of the things you talked about before?
Anita Moorjani
Sure. So first of all, I absolutely believe there is life beyond this earth. I would be sadly disappointed if we were the most evolved form of life in the universe. I mean, we still have a long way to go. So there is absolutely life. And then the ones that seem to break through and kind of appear for us, like the ones that people, of course, have had sightings of, not only of UFOs, UAPs, but also extraterrestrials, I think they are already here. I think they live among us, but they’re trying not to scare us. They are of the same belief that they don’t want to spread the fear. This is what I feel. Again, I want to say, I’m not an ET expert or a ufologist or a UFO expert. But I do know how consciousness works because I was there. And so I believe that if extraterrestrials are able to appear before us, which they have, UFOs have appeared and people have reported sightings. The fact that they can be here means they are extremely evolved, far more evolved than the human race. And I do believe that they’re here to help us in our evolution. And but at the same time, they’re very sensitive to the fact that they don’t want to appear too fast and they don’t want to appear in front of the wrong people, because again, they would just be spreading the fear, which is what we don’t want to do. And I also believe that we, as a race, humans, kind of have things a little bit upside down or the wrong way around. And when I say I understand how consciousness works, consciousness is always growth-oriented, healing-oriented. It is consciousness is not competitive. Consciousness is more unifying-oriented. It’s peace, love-oriented. It’s very much flows in tandem with nature. It’s very much in terms of what is nature is growth-oriented. So that’s what consciousness does. And humans, though, in competitiveness, in trying to hold on to power, we actually work against consciousness when we do that. We work against consciousness when we develop technology to go into war, to fight with other nations. But if we were working on technology to bring peace and to feed the planet, consciousness would work with us and in our favor. So would extraterrestrials. So would life from, whatever, evolved life from other planets. They would work with us to make it happen faster and faster. So back to what I was saying, when I was in the other realm, I was immersed in full consciousness. And in that full consciousness state, I was immersed in that. I knew that from that state my body would heal because consciousness goes towards that. But when we’re in the physical, and you’re dealing with what doctors have told you is a terminal illness that you have to battle against and you have to fight it and you’re in this place of fear, what people don’t realize is you’re working against consciousness. So even our medical system, again, controversy alert here, but even our medical system goes against consciousness. If we learned a system of healing that went with consciousness, we would have the answers to things like healing cancers and other chronic diseases. We would attain those so much faster if we worked with consciousness rather than against consciousness. And I think ETs are here to help us to work with consciousness. And if we want to develop faster as a race, it’s not about going outward and developing technology to compete with other countries. But it’s about going inward and becoming a more conscious-aware species, and the technology will come to us, the inspiration to develop far more advanced technologies will come to us.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, the other thing I want to ask you about that is because we’ve talked about this before, and I appreciate addressing the subject because it is a little out of your field, but you said when you were in that other place, you caught glimpses, I think you said, of other realities and maybe other forms of being. Can you maybe go back and talk about what you saw and how those interact with human beings in a sense?
Anita Moorjani
So I was aware that I was surrounded by beings, many of whom I didn’t recognize, and I just felt they were my guides. But from the perspective, however, I have no way of knowing or being sure whether I know that they continue to exist right now. So first of all, scrap what I said about I have no way of knowing. I do know that they exist and are helping me. But what I meant is I have no way of knowing whether these guides are what appear to us as ETs. That’s what I wanted to say. Is that our guides on the other side, our spiritual guides, could well be, could well appear to us in the form of extraterrestrials. They could well they are so advanced is what I’m trying to say. Is that because when we cross over, what greets us is what brings us comfort. So if you’re a strong advocate of Jesus, for example, and you will feel comforted by seeing Jesus, that’s who will greet you. But if you are somebody who really believes in believed and followed Kwan Yin or Buddha, that’s who will greet you. If you are somebody who painfully misses a parent who passed away, that’s who will greet you. And so even ETs, and even our deceased loved ones, and even our guides who appear to us while we’re in the physical and while we’re alive. People say they’ve they saw glimpses of their spirit guides, maybe even they appear as extraterrestrials, because extraterrestrials or if somebody is going to travel from another dimension and from another world millions of light years away, if they have the technology to come here, they certainly have the technology to appear in whatever form that brings us comfort. And they certainly have the technology to leave their physical bodies and come back into their physical bodies. There’s so much that we still don’t understand.
Alan Steinfeld
But are you saying that who we see on the other side is sort of a projection of our own belief systems, or are we pulling that energy to us because we’re aligned with it? I’m not sure what you mean.
Anita Moorjani
It’s the latter. We’re pulling that energy towards us. So what I’m not saying is that they are figments of our imagination. There are guides. We are surrounded by beings all the time, trying to guide us, trying to help us. But the problem with most of us is that we don’t tune in. We don’t listen. We don’t believe it when we hear it. We dismiss it. We tend to listen to the loud noise and the fear-based messages of this external world as opposed to the comforting messages and the guidance that is connected to our internal world.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Thank you. Suzanne, you had something to add?
Suzanne Ross
I make a distinction, you know, let’s first of all, there’s the oneness. But the distinction between the extraterrestrials and the ultracelestials, and I find that fascinating. And part of my inspiration for that is my dear friend Dr. J.J. Hurtak and his books that outline how there are sort of these heavenly, angelic, ultracelestial beings that are maybe in the higher heavens who can greet us on the other side, and very possibly of course our past loved ones, and maybe some of these ascended masters like Lord Sananda as Master Jesus appearing before us who could very well be extraterrestrial in nature. But I just find it interesting to explore what the difference may be between extraterrestrial races who would be incarnated on other planetary spheres and sort of these ultracelestial beings that may be more angelic or heavenly in these higher, more spiritual planes.
Alan Steinfeld
Does that make sense, Anita?
Anita Moorjani
Yes, it does. It does. And so what’s interesting is that when you’re in the state of pure consciousness, the distinctions are less clear. And I feel that all of this is true. Everything you said is spot on and what J.J. Hurtak speaks of as well. And it helps us to understand. It helps us because because we as even as consciousness, every single soul is part of part of consciousness. And and every soul is on their own evolution. So we’re on our own evolution, we’re on our own path. And so you have celestial beings that are from other more advanced worlds, more advanced masters, of course, like Sananda, Buddha, and so on. And then there are those who are, I guess, are the ones who are still at the level of desiring power at all costs, even if it harms the planet. So we do have all these different levels. But when you are not… But these levels are more distinct when we are here manifest in the physical. When consciousness manifests as physical, these levels become more obvious and distinct. And we hear evolved beings like yourselves want to understand it. And so we see it as levels and hierarchical. But when we are in the state of pure consciousness, nobody can harm us. And so in that state, we don’t quite see the levels in the same way. There’s no real hierarchy, there’s no wars in that state. But every soul is kind of at a different level of their growth, and it’s only when they manifest in the physical do you really see where they are on their evolution. That’s when so it’s consciousness made manifest in the physical that really tells you, oh my gosh, this person is still where they need to compete and they need to fight and they need to kill and they need to hold on to their power. They can’t see, they don’t remember that consciousness, if we act from a place of consciousness, all these things will be made manifest because consciousness is very growth-inducing. Does that kind of make sense?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. I think that’s also why people incarnate, to see where they are in consciousness, right? You came back, you didn’t have to incarnate, but to see where you were in consciousness and also help somehow shift the consciousness to what’s possible.
Anita Moorjani
Yes. I wanted to see what I could do with the information that I had just learned on the other side. I wanted to see that, okay, now that I know this, let’s see if I can apply this. Because I realized we all know it when we’re on the other side. But why is it so hard to apply it when we’re here? It’s because we’re dealing with different people at different levels of consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Right. No, that’s true.
Suzanne Ross
Don’t you think there’s an ego survival instinct that comes into play once you’re physically incarnated in a body that requires food, shelter, and then it feels like that sort of gets inflated into nicer shelter, better food. I mean, and then that’s maybe where competitiveness comes in. But it feels like that’s part of the physical manifestation of this ego personality that is sort of striving to survive, and then that can get inflated so that then it becomes a sense of superiority versus inferiority.
Anita Moorjani
Yes, exactly. In fact, one of the things I speak about in one of my books, Sensitive Is the New Strong, I speak about exactly that: ego versus conscious awareness. And we all need an ego as well to survive, because if you have no ego, you tend not to be able to take care of yourself, and it’s very hard to actually take care of yourself or to find a job and to If you are pure consciousness and no ego, it’s very hard to take care of yourself. But if you are only ego with no conscious awareness, then what happens is you basically become a narcissist. You basically are only about self and power at the cost, at the detriment of everyone else. So I speak about this in one of my books where if you imagine that we’re all born into this world with an equal amount of ego and conscious awareness. But what happens to some of us is that as we go through life, we dial up the ego and we dial down the conscious awareness. And this is what And then if you see somebody that has low conscious awareness, zero conscious awareness, but a 10 ego, then they are the ones who we’re seeing the loudest voices among us, the ones who are empowered. They are power hungry, and they are destroying the planet, and all they think of is their own advancement and not the advancement of the human race or the human species as a whole. And so that is like a 10 ego and a zero conscious awareness. But on the other hand, if you have a 10 conscious awareness and a zero ego, what you have is somebody who becomes a martyr and a doormat who is constantly at the service of other people, but they don’t take care of themselves. And so they aren’t able to hold on to any money because they’ll give it to everybody who’s less well off than them. So they become poor, they become destitute, they become healthy when unhealthy when they’re unhealthy. They can’t take care of themselves because there’s always someone else to help. So that is a 10 conscious awareness because conscious awareness means being aware of everything that’s outside of yourself. What you want is a healthy ego and a healthy conscious awareness so that you can take care of yourself, and you can be healthy, happy, and enjoy, and you can use that energy and resources to take care of everyone else and the planet. So that’s kind of the balance between.
Alan Steinfeld
You’re saying in a sense that the ego personality is a container for consciousness just like your body is a container. So you need a healthy body and a healthy sense of this relationship to the vastness as a fractal of that.
Anita Moorjani
Yes, you need a healthy sense of self and a healthy sense of other, of conscious awareness and the world around us.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And let the ego, in a sense, take a back seat to consciousness, but don’t throw the ego out of the car.
Anita Moorjani
Exactly. So it’s basically a healthy ego, but it’s not being egotistical. There’s a difference between having a healthy ego and being egotistical. And if you had no ego, like zero ego, you wouldn’t even be out there sharing your message or having a platform or any of those things. You would believe that everybody else is more important than you are. So you need an ego even to be sharing, even if it’s a loving message, even if it’s a message of peace and hope and kindness, even if it’s John Lennon’s message of Imagine. You need an ego to be up there singing that song and telling people, I want peace in the world. If you had no ego, you wouldn’t be up there sharing yourself.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So it’s a strange balance being here on the because we’re only taught that one side, develop your ego, become somebody, be important, get people’s attention, or power, or money, or whatever it is, but.
Suzanne Ross
It feels to me like what we’re talking about is self-worth. Right? It’s like, am I worthy? And once you have that shift into I am worthy, then others see you as more worthy with something to contribute or something of value. You see others having worth and value. And I noticed in your talk that you gave in Sedona 10 years ago that that was a huge part of why you actually became sick in the first place, was because you lacked the self-worth. And so I think that’s a big part of what we’re talking about here.
Anita Moorjani
That’s a huge part. Like, for me, I grew up in a culture with tremendous gender disparity. And I always felt I lacked worth just for being a woman, because men were valued way more than women in my culture. A woman’s worth was measured by how valuable she was to the men in her community. So our job was constantly to serve men so that our value could we believed that we would be increasing our value the more desirable we were to the men in our community. So that was very demeaning. The other tremendous imbalance that I have noticed in many cultures, including the culture I grew up in, is that what we were just talking about, about the ego and the conscious awareness, for example, what you see out in the world is people the people who hold positions of power are people who have massive egos and no conscious awareness. So they’re way off balance, so they’re living way in their ego with no conscious awareness, and they hold the power in the world, and they are the loudest voices, and they’re the ones creating the wars and the fear and the games and so on. But then on the other side of the coin, you have all these people that want to do good in the world, and so they go to spiritual teachings, and this is me when I was growing up, and you go to traditional, conventional spiritual teachings that teach you that the ego is bad, that to love yourself is selfish, and you always, and it’s better to give than to receive. And so what ends up happening is that you deplete your own ego to the point where you’re not even out there. Like, I depleted my ego and depleted my self-worth because I thought it was egotistical to take care of my needs. I did that to the point where I became a doormat and I became invisible. So you create this imbalance where the people who want to spread goodness are being fed messages that they have to make themselves small, they have to be meek, they have to serve, they have to be martyrs. While on the other side, the one and so you’re basically softening their voices more and more, and you’re silencing them. And on the other side, the voices that are getting louder and louder are the controlling, egotistical voices that are taking over the world.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. That’s why your book titled Dying to Be Me is so perfect, because you did die to become yourself. Unfortunately, people don’t learn that. And what will change? How do we bring the self-worth? Because everyone, men and women also have that, they’re not good enough. So what is there a key to developing that?
Anita Moorjani
Well, first of all, you have to realize that it is not selfish to love yourself. In fact, it’s more selfish not to love yourself, because when you don’t love yourself, you don’t take care of yourself. When you don’t take care of yourself, then you not only can you not be a light for the world, but other people end up having to take care of you. When you don’t love yourself. So when I crossed over, one of the things I realized is that every single one of us is a facet of God. You see, I grew up in a particular kind of spirituality that made me feel, as I said, as though I had to be a martyr and a doormat, and I had to be of service and to others, and I had to serve men and so on. So I learned to see God in everybody else’s eyes and to be of service to everybody around me. When I died, I realized I had never learned to see God in my own eyes. And so when I realized that I too am an expression of God, I realized that to repress myself and to not see value in myself means to deny God from expressing itself through me. And who am I to deny God anything? Right? So even I am an expression of God. And that’s how I would like people to view themselves.
Alan Steinfeld
Beautiful. Beautiful. No, I think what you’re teaching and what you’ve learned because of this is not philosophy. This is experience is what makes your message different. And I just want to ask something going back to that other subject about the ETs. Linda Moulton Howe is going to be appearing at the conference, says that there’s something that the ETs are fascinated with, at least the people she’s met, at the moment of death. And that how we are vessels, we are containers of the soul, and some of these ETs are interested in being containers or having access to the soul and don’t know what to make with this soul essence that are a part of human beings. Does any of that make sense to you about that? Wait. Oops, your volume. We lost you. Okay.
Suzanne Ross
It feels like you’re talking about multidimensionality in a way, Alan, just to address that. Like, if the soul is dispersed throughout these different dimensions and expressing as an extraterrestrial on another planetary sphere and some other dimension, and then expressing here. Because one of Linda’s videos was about, is your soul an avatar here connected to another extraterrestrial who’s an avatar there? And does that implicate this idea of multidimensionality? And I’m curious, like, okay, if we’re physically incarnated on different planetary spheres as multidimensional beings, are we also experiencing as spiritual beings who are on spiritual planes?
Anita Moorjani
Yeah. That’s one part of it. The other part is there’s something about the human soul that some ET races seem to be very fascinated with. And yeah, so any answer to any of that, Anita? So I know Linda Moulton Howe is an expert in this field. So I again, I don’t want to step on anything that she says because she knows a lot better than I do on that subject. So I can only take it from where my understanding is more on consciousness, the consciousness level. And the only thing I can think of around this is that ETs are probably fascinated with our evolution, despite having access to full consciousness, what is it that makes us come here and fall prey to that which actually sets us back or sets this planet Earth back on our evolution? And I don’t know if I’m going off on a completely different tangent.
Alan Steinfeld
No, I think I mean, I’m looking forward to the fascinating discussion you and Linda will have at the Sedona Retreats about that. No, I don’t think you’re going off. I think nobody really knows, including Linda, who’s researched this for 40 years, what the nature of their consciousness is like. So we can say it’s all consciousness, and there’s all, but there’s frequencies of consciousness that I think we’re just starting to embrace. And this goes back to the multidimensional part that you mentioned, Suzanne, is that the multi when you see ourselves as multidimensional, there’s a access to levels of consciousness that don’t exist on just a pure human ego level.
Suzanne Ross
And don’t you think that partially, Alan, the reason that extraterrestrial races are fascinated by us is because they are our star ancestors? Right? I mean, if we really believe that our planet, like the Urantia book talks about, our planet is a life experimentation lab seeded by these different star races, and they’re DNA. And of course we know throughout history the hybridization or the interbreeding, that part of the reason they’re so involved with us is because they had something to do with upgrading us and or they are our star ancestors more evolved but almost like parents in a way sort of overseeing the evolvement. Does that make sense, Anita? Or is that…
Anita Moorjani
It does. In a way it’s like they are our guardian angels. I definitely do see that. I do see them as helping us, guiding us, and overseeing us. I definitely see that. And I also think that for all we know, I don’t know, because again, time was also different in the other realm. Time was not linear. When we’re outside of our bodies, time is not linear. And sometimes I even wonder if the beings that come here that make themselves visible, are they even our future selves coming back to kind of help us to guide us on our path. It could well be. Some people say that. Some people. And I think it’s great because you are an expert in your field, like I said, of near-death, and there seems to be more people speaking out about this, there’s more people having visitations of these beings. So and there’s still war, I think I asked this in the beginning of the show, but do you sense a shift on the planet for something new and different? 100%. I do. I’m actually very optimistic about an upcoming shift. I think that there are more and more people who are tired of the status quo. They’re tired of the powers that be. The reason why it feels worse is because the powers that be are holding on tighter to fight against what is coming up for them. And that’s why it sometimes feels worse. It’s because they’re fighting back harder. But more and more people are becoming aware and consciously aware and more and more people want this shift and want this change. So we just have to ride out this period of time. And in fact, this is the reason, this is what inspired me to write the book, Sensitive Is the New Strong, because right now the loudest voices among us are the ones who are the people who are the less consciously aware, they’re the ones who are the leaders in our world. And they are the loudest voices, which is why the world seems feels so challenging. But if the more consciously aware among us, the more sensitive people, the more compassionate people among us, if they were to start to become the louder voices, we could actually see that shift very, very quickly. Because unfortunately, most people who are consciously aware, who are more sensitive, who are more empathic, they tend to also be more introverted, more shy, more frightened of speaking out. But we actually need these people to speak out more and start to become the louder voices and start to take on positions of power. They shy away from power, which opens up the positions of power for the ones who actually are not consciously aware. You know what, Alan? The other day you said something that really struck me and I’ve been thinking about it for the last couple days. And what you were saying is that maybe we have to get pushed to a certain point where we may have been more complacent or we may have been more compliant. But then suddenly we’re pushed to the edge where we finally say enough. And if we think about it in our own lives, like I am kind of a pushover, and I’m really non-confrontational, and I’ll put up and I’ll put up, and then all of a sudden I’ll say enough. You know, and then I’ll stand in my power, and I’ll do something about it. And my voice may become louder and I may look for a solution that serves the highest good for all. But I think that this may be relevant to this conversation, and I really look forward to reading your book, Sensitive Is the New Strong, because I really feel like that could be a backlash of what these people in power, with their wars and with COVID and this, it’s making people rise up to say enough is enough, and now we’re going to stand in our own power, and we’re going to declare our sovereignty, and we’re going to create heaven on earth.
Anita Moorjani
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, it goes back to what Bashar, Darryl Anka, who will also be at the Sedona conference, says, this is as dense as it gets. This Earth vibration is so get as much density as you can, because we are shifting gears, we’re going to the next level. And so I think there is a kind of the forces are becoming more intense because they can’t stop the rise of consciousness. This is and they want to hold on to their jobs, which is power and greed and. And there’s it seems like it is happening or I hope it’s not just positive thinking, that there really is a vibrational… you feel it, right, Anita? The vibrational… tell us what you feel as far as that in your emotional fields, like how do you feel it in your body?
Anita Moorjani
I feel that there’s a big shift because I feel there are more and more people who are waking up. And into this stuff. And if I were to give you… so I feel it energetically first of all. I feel things in my body. I feel things energetically. I feel shifts. But if I were to put it tangibly as an example, is that a lot of organizations that are… let me take it to health and healing then. In that area I can give you a tangible example. Previously, when people used to do or have clinics and things that were not mainstream, they were complementary offerings, most people would consider that to be quackery. I’m going back 10 years, 15 years, most people thought that it was quackery. And these people, these practitioners had to operate under the radar because they didn’t want to get themselves into trouble. They would have to operate under the radar and word about them would be, it would just be word of mouth. Today, I see so many places, so many clinics and healing centers and that are not medical, not mainstream medical, but more holistic. So many of them, and they’re burgeoning. They’re like full. They just can’t cope with the number of people that are going into them. And it’s very, very different. There’s still a whole faction of people that are pushing back and trying to say that’s not FDA approved and so and insurance won’t cover it. So people are still forced to go the medical route. But those types of clinics and venues that are not mainstream, that are complementary, they are growing and they are getting more customers and clients because mainstream is not working for them. People are getting tired of mainstream everything. So I’m just seeing the other side, I’m actually seeing the growth in terms of, again, not just in medicine, but also in spirituality. There’s so much growth in more unified kind of spirituality as opposed to the divisiveness of religion. Less people are supporting that. And I’m seeing it in every faction of life.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, and I think that’s why a conference like the Sedona Ascension Retreats is so important, because it brings community together. I mean, there’s fantastic speakers like you and Linda and Matt Kahn. Do you know Matt Kahn’s work?
Anita Moorjani
Yeah, I do. I do. I know him personally as well.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, he’s a great guy. And of course, J.J. and Desiree Hurtak. I’ll be there. There might be more, but everyone’s giving their whole self to raise the frequency of this planet. Just it’s just nice to have a lot of people in the same room with that high intention. It’s so relying.
Anita Moorjani
Yeah. In fact, just being there amongst all the people, that in itself will uplift whoever comes.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, yes.
Anita Moorjani
It’ll uplift us. That’s why I’m excited to go. That’s why I love these events, because even just being there, it just feels amazing.
Suzanne Ross
And also, if we get together in groups and we actually raise our energy together for the whole planet, that helps. It really does help. So if you can organize, if you really want to help what’s going on in the world, gather groups of people together and come together in meditation or prayer or just raising conscious energy and conscious vibe.
Alan Steinfeld
This is one of the things Lynne McTaggart is doing, and Lynne Do you know Lynne’s work?
Anita Moorjani
Yes. Yes, I know her well.
Alan Steinfeld
Actually, I’m just going to show people that you’re actually going to be with Lynne in San Diego a couple of months before the retreat. This is called TCCHE in San Diego. And this is one of the places there. That’s a great picture of you there, with Lynne and Bruce, of course, our favorites, and JJ and Desiree Hurtak. I’ll be there. There might be more, but the Sedona retreat, I think, really has some… I mean, this is a great retreat, but also what’s happening in Sedona that Suzanne’s put together, I feel builds an intensity that you know, really let me pull up that flyer, which really helps people because of the workshops, motivate to make changes in their lives. So let me just show that here. And Suzanne, anything you want to say about what’s coming up here?
Suzanne Ross
Well, thank you for highlighting the workshops, because Anita is also offering a workshop, as are you. And many of our presenters are offering these interactive workshops, which allow the attendees to really engage with the presenters, which you don’t get a chance to do at large conferences when there’s 700 people in the auditorium. But these breakout groups, and we’re having over 12 conferences over the course of two days. In these, I’m sorry, workshops, and in these smaller rooms, people really get to connect with the presenters and ask questions and that’s what I really like about it.
Alan Steinfeld
And also Anita, you might not know, there’s a bunch of people talking about NDEs on this conference. Who are they again, Suzanne?
Suzanne Ross
Yeah, so the near-death experiencers would be Mark Anthony. Rob Gentile really just came out recently about his near-death experience, and the way that he shares about it is really profound and prolific. And then of course, Suzanne Giesemann is connecting with her past stepdaughter who transitioned. And so yeah, and the Hurtaks talk about ultracelestials, so we have this panel hosted by Alan on Saturday night that is going to be you and then some of these other near-death experiencers, of course Linda Moulton Howe and the Hurtaks, so that’ll be really fun too.
Anita Moorjani
Yeah, I am so looking forward to it.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh great. I’m so happy you’re going to be there. You and Danny, don’t leave Danny at home. And he’s excited about it. He loves UFO, yeah, he loves the UFO phenomena. Anything related to it. Are we going to have a little VIP gathering for some of the speakers too, Suzanne, for?
Suzanne Ross
I’m looking into arranging that, and that would probably be like a brunch on Friday before things get started at 2 o’clock. So yeah, thank you for inspiring that, and I’ll dive into see what the logistics are.
Alan Steinfeld
Because you’re all such leaders because of your own experience in this field, it’s nice to kind of get you together to know each other like Matt Kahn, I just think is fantastic. And Henry and who else? Darryl, have you ever met Darryl Anka, Bashar?
Anita Moorjani
I know who he is, and I know his work, but I’ve not met him.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, you’re going to love him too. And all these people are presenting a perspective on reality and about this ascension or what I call the raising of vibration that is becoming more accepted and and we need meetings like what Suzanne’s put together so as a community we can compare notes with each other. That’s what I like to bring out at these conferences as an MC and say, well, who’s experienced this increase in the in their vibrational body. And it’s going to be in Sedona, Arizona, which already, have you spent time there, right?
Anita Moorjani
I’ve been there several times. I’ve done a couple of retreats there. I love Sedona, and I love these type of events. And I’ve always enjoyed what you put out, Alan. And I’m looking forward to meeting and getting to know Suzanne. And Suzanne, thank you so much for taking care of all the logistics for us. I am like really looking forward to it. I’m so excited about the event.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh good. Maybe can you, have you been out on the land, Suzanne? Maybe you could take Anita and Danny out to some of the vortexes? Have you been out there to the desert, Anita, a bit?
Anita Moorjani
A little bit. I’ve been to one of the vortexes, the closest one. I forget what it’s called.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, Suzanne, could you arrange that for Anita and Danny, do you think?
Suzanne Ross
Sure. We have during our event these sacred vortex site journeys. And so we have on the day before the event, well it’s the morning before the event starts, so our event starts at 2 o’clock on Friday, and at 8:30 to 11:30 AM on Friday, there’s a tour going out that people can sign up for, and these shuttle buses take them to different vortex sites in Sedona. We’re also doing that on Monday after the event from 8:30 to 11:30. And of course any of the speakers are welcome to join those groups going out absolutely.
Anita Moorjani
Wow. I’ll have to come in a day early then.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, please. You know, and people are drawn to these sites like Sedona, like Glastonbury, because there is an energy there that’s amplifying the total grid of the earth, I feel. So I know we don’t want to keep you too long. I know you have a bunch of things coming up. Well, do you have any things you want to leave people with in this broadcast about what’s possible for them and the planet and human civilization?
Anita Moorjani
So I would just like people to know that to stay optimistic, don’t buy into the fear. The best thing that you can do for everybody around you is to spread light, joy, not fear. If you are feeling fear yourself, honor it, acknowledge it, and allow it to pass through you, and do what you can to spread joy and kindness and compassion. And also if we get together in groups and we actually raise our energy together for the whole planet, that helps. It really does help. So if you can organize, if you really want to help what’s going on in the world, gather groups of people together and come together in meditation or prayer or just raising conscious energy and conscious vibe.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. So you have these conferences coming up. Anything else you want to talk about before we say goodbye, Anita? Anything like books, television shows?
Anita Moorjani
Oh, I’m working on things all the time. I’m doing a live video today on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. So join me later in about an hour or two. But…
Alan Steinfeld
How do we join? Where do we go to join you? What’s the link?
Anita Moorjani
So just go to my YouTube channel, so it’s Anita Moorjani Official YouTube channel. And I will be live there. And yeah, so join me on my YouTube. I have YouTube videos every week. I would love for people to just come and follow me on YouTube and social media or check out my books or or just attend this event, the Sedona Ascension Retreats. I would love to see you see people at that event. I love physical live events because I like being in a room full of people who are like-minded and of the same vibe.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And you know, I just want to say, Anita, I notice you are so much more grounded and focused and direct, and it’s not just like you’re relying on the experience that you had, but you seem to be integrating it in an evolutionary way. So does that make sense? Like…
Anita Moorjani
Thank you. It’s it’s I appreciate you saying that. I love that. Thank you.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, no, I really feel it. And there’s so much more confidence and, you know, you know what you know, and you’re open to what you don’t know, but there’s there’s a place where you’re able to ground this message for the future in in that experience and take it further. You’re not just relying on that experience, but you’re that’s why I feel there’s this integration that’s really solid there.
Anita Moorjani
Oh, I love hearing that. I really appreciate that. Thanks.
Suzanne Ross
I thought that Alan after reading your book that it’s less about what happened on the other side and it’s more about how you can make the most of your life on this side.
Anita Moorjani
Wow, thank you for saying that. And that’s my mission. My mission is to actually help as many people as I can, and to actually create a a shift in people, a shift in the way they view their lives and the world, and I want to help people to see through the fear that has been conditioned into us.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I love the sign behind you, “Be Kind”. And I’ll ask Danny, what kind should we be? No, okay. But no, thanks for your Thanks for Danny’s always welcome to jump in, I know he he’s… but anyway, I look forward to seeing you in San Diego and everywhere. And thank you, Suzanne. And everyone watching, subscribe to this channel, take out a super chat and go to Anita’s channel. And what’s your channel, Suzanne? What’s your YouTube channel?
Suzanne Ross
SciSpi. S-C-I-S-P-I is my YouTube channel. It’s merging science and spirituality, my genre, SciSpi. And plus I have all these videos on the home page of the website.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Well, thank you Sedona Ascension Retreats. Go there, sign up, join us. It’s going to be a real lot of fun with really some of the just people I really like, you know, especially you two. So thanks again, Anita. Lots of love.
Suzanne Ross
Thank you, Anita. Thank you.
Anita Moorjani
Thank you both so much.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. Thank you, Suzanne. Thank you everyone watching. There she is, Anita Moorjani. Okay, I’ll talk to you soon.