New Realities recorded on August 25, 2015
Summary
In this interview, Alan Steinfeld speaks with cellular biologist Bruce Lipton about the evolutionary crossroads facing humanity. Lipton asserts that human behavior, driven by flawed scientific paradigms like Darwinian competition and genetic determinism, is precipitating the planet’s sixth mass extinction. He explains the science of epigenetics, which proves that our environment, thoughts, and beliefs control our biology, meaning we are not victims of our heredity. Lipton emphasizes that 95% of our daily lives are run by subconscious programs downloaded during our first seven years, many of which are disempowering. To change our collective future and create a harmonious reality, he argues we must consciously rewrite these subconscious programs using methods like hypnosis, habituation, or energy psychology.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. I’m Alan Steinfeld. And this program is about the evolution of our mind, body, and spirit. And there’s nobody, really nobody in my opinion, who pulls those three topics together, mind, body, and spirit, in a way that prepares us and shows us the way of evolution. And that’s why I’m talking today to an old friend, Bruce Lipton.
Bruce Lipton
First of all, dear Alan, my brother in evolution. We were together more than 10 years ago?
Alan Steinfeld
I found you in 1989 when you did a little interview in the Golden Thread newspaper, and I said, who is this guy? And then I sought you out. I showed up at your doorstep in California and we talked for a while. Anyway, yes, we go back about 15 years at least.
Bruce Lipton
It’s really wonderful because if you go back and look at what we talked about then, it’s unfolding exactly in the same plan that we talked about over 15 years ago. So there’s a real insight to a pattern that’s unfolding right now, and it’s very exciting. Let’s just come to a very simple, basic scientific fact that says, this is the game changer. Science has established beyond doubt that we are deep into the sixth mass extinction of life on this planet. Five times in the history of this planet, life was thriving. The biosphere was just cranking and it was really great. And then something happened, five different times, that just stopped. Everything stopped and disappeared. And these are called mass extinctions. Science, in trying to identify what would be responsible for these mass extinctions, has picked on a couple of things very specifically, such as comets or asteroids hitting the Earth, upending the environment and wiping out life. So five times in our history, this has already occurred.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes.
Bruce Lipton
What science has recognized today, and this is an established thing, is that we are losing a species of organisms faster now than in the previous five mass extinctions. Our loss of species is a thousand times greater per day now than at any time in our history. What this really emphasizes to the bio community is that we’re disrupting the chain of life. We’re punching holes in this web, which will cause it to inevitably collapse. And so the fact is, yes, we are going toward a collapse. But the most important understanding about this is while the previous mass extinctions were attributed to things like comets or massive geological upheaval, today’s mass extinction is directly due to human behavior.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Bruce Lipton
I said, well, what’s significant about that? Listen, we continue the behavioral track that we’re on at this very minute, just continue it, and there’s no way out. Inevitable. Even NASA, with massive research, has said that industrial civilization is facing an irreversible collapse within the next few decades. Which means 10, 20 years really. And I say, well, there’s a choice. You can sit there in your living room and say it’s coming to an end, let’s just enjoy the end of it. Or we can start to consider another way of living on this planet.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. Let’s talk about that because your work, a lot of other people are saying we need to change how we live. I mean, it’s obvious. Even if the cities may be a little greener, a little healthier, there’s too many of us uncontrolled to go on this way. So what do you suggest?
Bruce Lipton
The reality is we’re being forced to make a decision, which by definition is the foundation of evolution. It says, look, you’ve been living this way, now you have to make a decision because if you continue living this way, you’re going extinct. So now it’s a new way of making a civilization. And so we are on the edge of seeing an old civilization come to an end. But it doesn’t mean that when it comes to an end that everything’s all over with. Go back over our history, there have been civilizations coming and going. The end of the Roman civilization. Well, yes, there was a civilization and it ended and gave way to something different. The civilization we’re in now is coming to that same kind of end. And the only way out is to do something different, another way of life. What we’re finding out is that our cultural beliefs that shape the way we live in the world are predicated on some very fundamental issues of science. Science says this is the way life works, and then government people and political philosophers say, oh, that’s the way life works, let’s create a culture that way.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, I think that’s a really key point. So our civilization is based on our belief systems. And because science is the dictator of our beliefs, it’s saying, because we say the world is this way, then everyone starts to live that way and doesn’t think twice about it because that’s how the world is according to what our authorities tell us. But it’s not that way.
Bruce Lipton
No, and it’s interesting because there’s a really simple understanding about this. Why does one civilization rise and fall, and then another one rises again? The answer is this: a civilization looks for what we would call a truth provider. Who knows what’s going on? Who’s the truth provider? It turns out that when we accept the beliefs of a certain group or organization and say, yes, they seem to know what life is all about, and so we will follow their principles, then we select them as a truth provider. So in the previous civilization to the one right now…
Alan Steinfeld
The truth provider was the church.
Bruce Lipton
Because they provided the answers to what are called the perennial questions. The perennial questions have been asked for 10,000 years by humans. Whoever provides the answers to those questions that the public generally accepts, by definition, the public also accepts that entity or organization as the provider of all truth.
Alan Steinfeld
Let me just say the perennial questions are basically, who are we, why are we here, and what are we supposed to be doing?
Bruce Lipton
Yeah, and how did we get here? All that kind of stuff. So the answers provided by the church in the previous civilization was, we got here through divine intervention. That we’re here to live out plays of morality. That’s why we’re here, to see if we’re worthy to go to that other place they suggested. And then they say, well, how do you live here? And they said, well, we have the rules of the Bible and you live by spiritual rules. And it’s interesting because when we accepted those answers, we accepted the church as the truth provider. And if you had any questions about life and you wanted truth, you go to the guy wearing the black coat, the priest. About 1869, the answers to the questions changed. Because rather than divine intervention as our source, science at Darwinian point of view recognized it’s heredity that has provided for this. Genetics, essentially. And so instead of invoking God as our source, in today’s world science has taken over truth provider. Because people believe that science’s answers are more accurate to them than church’s answers.
Alan Steinfeld
But it’s another belief system basically. Because maybe they know a little bit more than the church. We have to give them some credit. But not much.
Bruce Lipton
Since they’re antagonistic, then all of a sudden some of the church’s things were left out because they were antagonistic to each other. But here’s the funny part about it. Once we accepted science’s answers to those perennial questions, then we saw science as a source of truth. And no longer do we go to the guy wearing the black coat for our truth. We now go to the guy wearing the white coat for our truth.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s funny.
Bruce Lipton
It is kind of funny because we change uniforms. So we say, what’s true? I say, what science says is true. And I say, if science says it’s true and evolution is right, and evolution is based on competition and a struggle for survival, then life is competition and a struggle for survival.
Alan Steinfeld
Not only that, it’s based on freak mutations that…
Bruce Lipton
Exactly. The first step in a Darwinian theory is what is called a random mutation. And you say, oh, well then the mutations that take us from primitive form to a more advanced form were accidents. If that’s random, yes, of course it’s an accident. But philosophically, what does that mean at the ground level? What is the purpose of human life on this planet? And then you go back and you say, well, it happened by accident. So there’s no purpose for us to be here. So enjoy it, do what you want.
Alan Steinfeld
Destroy the planet because it doesn’t mean anything. Extinctions, who cares, right?
Bruce Lipton
And now we understand it’s a complete misunderstanding. That evolution is not Darwinian. It’s not based on competition. It’s not driven by random mutations. It’s actually driven by something like adaptive mutations or beneficial mutations versus random. What’s the difference? Beneficial mutation is an organism adjusting its genetics to be compatible with the environment. If you’re compatible with the environment, then you get supported.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Bruce Lipton
But an organism that is outside of compatibility, that challenges the systems, challenges the life community, nature views as a virus on the system. You’re destroying my garden. And nature has inevitably over history removed any life form that has come into the garden and destroyed the harmony. You can see why we’re on the edge of this great colossal change. Because either we learn to live in harmony with that environment, or the environment’s going to get rid of us.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re saying basically our philosophy is what’s doing us in and the rest of the planet because of the narrow belief system dictated by our science. And you’re so important and instrumental in leading the way of a Lamarckian revolution where the organism evolves in concert with the environment. It’s not random, it’s dictated by where we’re living. It makes so much sense. How could they not know this?
Bruce Lipton
At the time, the genetic story was, they already came in with an answer. You see, this is where science could go wrong. Theoretically, science is supposed to ask a question and say, whatever the answer is, I’m going to accept it and I’ll move in that direction. And how are we doing science today? The answer is, we have a suggestion of how it works. And then we ask science, does it work the way we said it works? Which means you have already focused on a mechanism before you even did the science. And therefore you already have a belief before you did the science what the outcome is going to be. Therefore, when you do the science, it’s no longer science. You already have a destination. What you’re looking for is how to get to the destination.
Alan Steinfeld
But isn’t that the problem within the scientific inquiry in general? You have to have a hypothesis to ask the question and then you go about proving it any way you can.
Bruce Lipton
You see the question is proving it any way you can. So if your hypothesis is not exactly right, but your mission is to prove it any way I can, then you will adjust your research or you’ll select your data to fit what you want. And if the data doesn’t fit what you want, you ignore it. And then what do you report on? All the data suggests everything we just said. I say, no, you just selected that data to fit what you wanted to say. But that’s not real science. Because you do a hypothesis not to say I want to prove the hypothesis. You actually have to say to nature, is my hypothesis right? I am open to you nature to give me the answer. Today’s world is a little different. I am telling nature this is what I want, show me the answer. Here’s a simple fact. The British Medical Journal did research on results of experiments based on who gave the money. When they looked at the same kind of research on the same topic, but then split it into research funded by pharmaceutical industry, and research funded by public money. They found when the same research was funded by pharmaceutical money, the results came out four times more in their favor.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow.
Bruce Lipton
And it’s like, what does that mean? It means you already have a bias. You came in with a bias, so when you look at the data, if it doesn’t fit your bias, you throw that data out. And you keep doing experiments until data that fits your bias comes in. You go, see what I told you? See it was true. And it’s like, no.
Alan Steinfeld
You’re absolutely right. So let’s get back to how we’re going to change everything. Now that we realize that the old way doesn’t work.
Bruce Lipton
We have to recognize that current science does not support some important things. There are four belief systems. One we just talked about is evolution. The current science does not support the belief of evolution which gave us a vision that to survive in this world, it’s a dog eat dog world, go out there and fight. It’s a rat race. If you stop, somebody’s going to run over you. And so we bought into that belief system. I say, no, number one, it is totally wrong. Because now we know evolution is based on cooperation.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait. I know you’re just saying that. I don’t want to make you another black or white coat. Give me evidence or tell me why you think that is true.
Bruce Lipton
Because when we look at evolution, we find that… I’ll give you an example. Why do we have animals? Because we started with only plants. The answer is very simple. Plants breathe in carbon dioxide and release oxygen in the process of photosynthesis. Start off at a static balanced place, so much oxygen, so much carbon dioxide. You put plants in the environment. After a short time, the plants use the carbon dioxide and add more oxygen. So over time oxygen levels go up and carbon dioxide levels go down. If the oxygen levels get too high, guess what happens? A lightning strike, boom, the whole thing catches fire. So in fact, in our history, when there were only plants, it created an imbalance in the system. Too much oxygen became toxic, it burned up and life got lost. How can you have plants if you keep getting too much oxygen? Let’s introduce animals. What do they do? They breathe in oxygen and release carbon dioxide. That’s the complete complement to plants. Animals.
Alan Steinfeld
But where is the evolutionary engine for that type of creation? I mean, we don’t have to call it God, but where’s it come from?
Bruce Lipton
It comes from stress. When an organism is under stress, it has to adjust its biology to survive. That’s as simple as that. You don’t adjust your biology, stress kills. That’s bottom line. So an organism can change its genetics. Yet in our history and our story of our conventional world of science it says, no, you can’t control genetics. Genetics are there and if there’s a mistake, we call it a mutation, but you have no control over it. Therefore, we have had the belief that life is driven by these accidents and mutations. I have no control. I could get cancer. That’s an accident and I die and that’s the way life is. Now we find out that belief in genetics is not correct. There’s another science called epigenetics.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes.
Bruce Lipton
It’s a revolution. Under the form of genetics, the belief was genetic control, control by genes. Why is that relevant? Because people believe if they get a gene like the BRCA1 cancer gene, they go, I’m going to get cancer. If I get this Alzheimer’s gene, I’m going to get cardiovascular disease. Why? I’m inheriting the genes and the genes control my life. Because genes operate independently of us. What’s the meaning of that? We’re victims of our heredity. I’m culturing you to believe that you have no control over your life. The genes did it.
Alan Steinfeld
Like the Angelina Jolie situation, awful.
Bruce Lipton
Exactly. That’s the expression of a belief system that says that your life is not under your control. It’s under control of genes. Since I have the BRCA1 gene, I’m going to be liable for breast cancer, so if I remove my breasts then I can’t get the cancer. And she did that, and then only later finds out well it’s not just your breasts because your ovaries and your uterus could be affected by the same gene. So then she went through and had her ovaries and uterus taken out. That’s based on fallacies in thinking. Let’s turn around right now. The BRCA1 gene is called the breast cancer gene. I say then everybody that got the gene should get cancer. That’s the problem. Only 50% of the women that have the gene get the cancer. Having the gene doesn’t cause cancer. If 50% of people that have the gene don’t get the cancer, then what does it mean? The gene does not cause cancer, something else does.
Alan Steinfeld
What was different about those women? Yes.
Bruce Lipton
And now we’re beginning to find out it’s stress. 90% of the illness on this planet is really tied into stress. Less than 1% of the illness on this planet is actually controlled by genes. Everything else is attitude, belief, reaction, lifestyle. Every way you’re living out of harmony and out of balance with the garden, then you’re moving toward disease.
Alan Steinfeld
So stress triggers the gene, you’re saying.
Bruce Lipton
Absolutely 100%. The gene did not trigger the stress, it was the stress that triggered the gene. You get rid of the stress and you don’t end up with the effect. The same thing applies to AIDS. You got the AIDS virus, you’re going to die. There are thousands and thousands of men out there that have been tested to have the AIDS virus for over 20 or 30 years and they have no disease. How can that happen? Because the virus itself did not cause the disease. The virus plus stress causes the disease.
Alan Steinfeld
So stress is our number one killer.
Bruce Lipton
Absolutely 100%. And stress means you’re not living in harmony or balance in the world in which you’re living. And therefore you’re running up against the world and that causes the friction that’s the stress, and that’s where the illness comes from.
Alan Steinfeld
Which is a microcosm of the species’ destruction we’re seeing now. We’re causing stress to the earth itself.
Bruce Lipton
And the stress is causing the web of life to start to collapse. We’re destroying ecosystems. We’re fishing out the ocean. 90% of the fish that were in the ocean in 1950, gone. We’re down to 10% of the fish that were in the ocean.
Alan Steinfeld
And we have a bigger population, actually.
Bruce Lipton
The realistic perception of science is that within 25 or 30 years at the most, the fish will not be in the ocean. Are you kidding me? It’s a science fiction movie? Planet Earth with all the oceans and no fish in it? No, we are destroying the atmosphere, biosphere of the ocean. We’re acidifying it. We’re fishing out all the important life forms. We’re destroying the breeding grounds of the life forms. And all of a sudden you say, where’s all the fish? Gone.
Alan Steinfeld
So go back to those four points. The first one you said was the competition, cooperation.
Bruce Lipton
Yes. Darwinian theory by which we built our culture because Darwinian theory is scientific and it says if you want to survive then you have to understand you’re going to struggle and you’re going to fight. And it turns out wrong because survival is based on cooperation. A garden is not a battleground. A garden is a place of beauty and serenity. When you look at the Garden of Eden, was it designed as a battleground? No, but according to Darwinian theory it is. Organisms adjust to the environment. As we make the environment bad, then the health of the humans gets bad. Our health is a direct connection to the environment. Number two is the mechanisms of how the universe work. Well that’s physics. Physics is the science of mechanism. We live in a world based on an old belief system called Newtonian physics that says that there’s a physical realm, it’s separate from the energy realm, that the energy realm and physical realms don’t interact with each other. And that since your body is a physical thing, if you want to understand it, then you only look at the physical attributes of life.
Alan Steinfeld
Biomechanics.
Bruce Lipton
I go, well that’s interesting except in 1925 physics changed its point of view because it recognized that atoms are actually not physical material, atoms are vortices of energy. And if atoms are energy, then they’re connected to the energy of everything, and therefore the whole belief that energy and matter were separate is completely gone. Energy and matter are one and the same. Now physics says energy is more significant in shaping matter. So that matter isn’t shaping itself, energy is shaping it. What’s energy? Thoughts are energy. The field of information is energy. You mean how you think changes your biology? I go 100%. And why is it relevant? Because you’ve been led to believe that you have nothing to do with your health. The genes control that and you don’t. It’s the mind that is generating an energy field and the cells become complementary to the mind. Health and disease is an energy at another level. And whether we’re living in harmony or disharmony, it determines whether we’re in health or we’re in disease. So all of a sudden it says, the invisible world becomes profoundly important. Here’s a joke because science has separated itself from spirituality. The new science is called quantum physics and they talk about the energy field shaping us. In physics the word field means invisible moving forces that influence the physical world. I go, that’s the same definition as spirit. Invisible moving forces that influence the physical world. Since 1925 the concept of spirit now becomes part of quantum physics. Rather than throwing spirituality out, not only do we bring it back in, in quantum physics, but we put it at a higher hierarchy because it says the energy field is what shapes the material field. Since the energy field invisible moving force is the same as the concept of spirit, then I could just say, well, the ancient people were essentially right. There was a spiritual element to us that controls our biology. So the biology is wrong because you’re not a victim of your genes. The physics is wrong because you’ve left out the energy and the energy spirituality and that’s been talked about for thousands of years before there was science so we got to bring that back. What about the evolution part? One belief in evolution is that it’s a struggle for survival, so when we wake up in the morning we’re prepared to go out there and compete. Evolution is not based on competition, it’s based on cooperation. So your relationship to other people is going to have to change. If you think that you’re creating your survival through competition, you don’t realize that competition is undermining you. At this moment, it’s precipitating this extinction phase that’s coming. You want to survive then begin to understand cooperation because that’s where it comes from. And then lastly, if random mutations are responsible for us being here because that’s the first step in evolution is an accidental mutation. I ask you Alan, a very simple question. What’s the purpose of human existence? And then you go, oh, we got here by accident. So there’s no purpose for us to be here. So do the hell you want.
Alan Steinfeld
Exactly.
Bruce Lipton
Every organism that nature brought into the environment, it did so by an intention. Because the previous organisms began to throw it out of balance. So you bring a new organism in to bring it balance. Life is based on balance, homeostasis. Radical changes in temperature, radical changes in oxygen and carbon dioxide, these radical changes would devastate life. Life doesn’t want radical change. Life is balance. It’s harmony. Vibrations in harmony are music. Vibrations out of harmony is noise and it hurts. You live in a world that everything has energy in it. Feng shui, that’s a perfect one. You put this object over here and this one over here and you set up these objects and it make a little crystal like structure. The Asians had already known for thousands of years, everything gives off energy. When they were moving objects around they weren’t moving objects, they were moving energy. By balancing the energy I can make harmony, music, out of a place that is in disharmony. Does that include food? Yeah, that includes food. It includes everything you do in the world that’s physical and the question is will you let it in or not, but that has to do with the thought. People say look, macrobiotic diet, you got cancer the only way out is eat that macrobiotic diet. There are some cancer patients they eat that diet and guess what? They die faster than the other patients. It’s based on the belief system of the individual. If they don’t believe that this is what’s going to help them and they do it, then it doesn’t help them.
Alan Steinfeld
So there’s the field, there’s the interaction of harmony, but what overrides that you’re saying is human thought and intention.
Bruce Lipton
Absolutely. When we were talking about placebo effect, what were we talking about? Positive belief. I have a positive belief I’m going to get healed because this is the drug that I was told that’s going to heal me. It’s the positive belief that healed you, not the sugar pill.
Alan Steinfeld
And that belief changes the enzymes, the genetics, the genes itself.
Bruce Lipton
Absolutely what it does. Placebo effect is the result of having a positive belief and healing. What about a negative belief? You don’t hear about it, it’s not talked about, but a negative belief is equally powerful in controlling your life as a positive belief, but it works in the opposite direction. A positive belief can heal you, placebo effect. A negative belief can kill you, and it’s called nocebo effect. Negative beliefs are powerful. Psychologists will tell you 70% or so of your thoughts are negative and disempowering, self-sabotaging, limiting beliefs. If 70% of the thoughts coming out of your head are negative, and negative belief is powerful but makes you unhealthy, then you look at the world and you go, yep, as soon as everybody starts getting afraid, as soon as they start seeing negative worlds, as soon as the fear of their survival is in question. All of a sudden it’s associated with disease, ill health and death. It’s the way you were thinking. How effective is that thinking? I hypnotize you. I tell you I’m going to touch you with a burning cigarette. And so in your hypnotic subconscious mind, you perceive I’m going to touch you now with a burning cigarette. I take my finger and I just touch you on my wrist. Well you believe I’ve just had a burning cigarette. Within minutes most of these individuals will have a blister. From what? From the burn. I touched you with my finger. The belief system saw the burn and the belief system not just made a blister, but made it precisely exactly where you touched yourself as where the blister forms. It was a complete mind creating blister on a belief of being burned even though you weren’t burned.
Alan Steinfeld
So how do we go back to that original idea that belief systems are creating this mass extinction, taking out the fish in the oceans… We have to go in, you’ve just laid out some points to change our belief system, but changing your core belief systems which have been neurologically imprinted in the brain is probably the hardest thing to do.
Bruce Lipton
No, that’s the part that’s so wonderful. That’s a belief in itself.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, good.
Bruce Lipton
If I believe change is hard and my life is a confirmation of my belief, then when I try to change it’s going to be a very hard and difficult thing to do.
Alan Steinfeld
Alright, change is easy, thank you.
Bruce Lipton
There you go, it’s very critical. We talk about the mind controlling biology. The mind is not a single entity. The mind is two entities. A conscious, creative mind connected to your spirituality. Who you are is an energy specific to you that is partly located in or at least received in your prefrontal cortex, right behind your forehead where consciousness resides. So consciousness is part of the mind. The mind that was there before consciousness evolved was called the subconscious mind. It works without you thinking about it. It’s automatic. It’s a habit mind. The mind is actually two interdependent components. A conscious mind and subconscious. If you say the mind is a unity, then you fail to understand there are two parts. Because each mind, conscious and subconscious, has a different function. And more importantly, they learn in different ways. You can educate the conscious mind, but in any way did that change the subconscious program? Absolutely not. We keep educating the conscious mind. You go to a lecture, you get education, you watch a video program, you get education. How many people read a self-help book? In an audience everybody hands go up. And how many of you, your life changed after you finished reading the book? And most of the hands go down.
Alan Steinfeld
How do we change the subconscious mind? Yes, that’s the question, how do we change the subconscious mind?
Bruce Lipton
Because you can only teach it in the way it learns, not the way the conscious mind learns, and that’s what the difference is. Reading the book educated the conscious mind, did it educate the subconscious? No, it didn’t work in that way. So you’re still operating from the same programs. If I want to change the subconscious, how do I do it? You have to understand how the subconscious learns. There are three fundamental ways the subconscious learns. The first is during the first seven years of your life, your subconscious was downloading programs because your brain activity, EEG, was in a lower vibration than consciousness as a predominant state. It was in theta. Theta is imagination. That is the character of children. They can mix the real world and the imaginary world together seamlessly. Because their brain is operating in theta. Theta is also hypnosis. Meaning the first seven years you’re in a state of hypnosis. Your brain is like a video camera. Everything it sees, it downloads a behavior. You watch your mother, you get her behavior, you watch your father, you get his behavior. You watch your community. For seven years, you are being programmed with behavior. You’re not creating with consciousness. That’s not a predominant brain state until after seven. The first seven years you learned because your brain was in a state of hypnosis. You want to learn again using hypnosis? Then every night as you go to bed, you put some earphones on your head and you listen to a recorded message. As you’re going from conscious levels, which are higher vibrations of EEG, to delta, which is sleep, you pass through theta. Theta is imagination. So just as you’re going out unconsciously essentially to sleep, your brain is kicking into theta. If you put the earphones on, listen to a program, then that information is not going into the conscious mind, it’s going into the subconscious mind. Now that’s how you can change your program.
Alan Steinfeld
I see. That’s key, that’s really important.
Bruce Lipton
First seven years the brain is designed to download behavior into the subconscious. After age seven, you can make new programs. The way to make a new program in the subconscious is repetition. Habituation. How many times did you say ABC until you could get all the way to Z? You started, you get about a certain way and then you falter and then you start all over again. Until what? Until you can get all the way to A and Z. What happens when you get to A to Z? You can do it. It’s over with. You don’t need to do it again. Anytime you need the alphabet, boom, it’s right there in the program.
Alan Steinfeld
So do you think there’s like a tipping point? If enough people change their belief systems, do you think it has an energetic effect on the rest of humanity to change?
Bruce Lipton
100%, 100%. Because I talked about the invisible energy fields are shaping the world in which we live and your thoughts are those energy fields. You might say, the thoughts are in my head. How can it affect the people out there? When I put wires on your head and I read your brain activity, EEG, I’m reading the electrical activity of the brain that is being conducted through the skin. There’s a new process called magnetoencephalograph. It reads the magnetic field of the brain. The probe is out here. I’m reading your brain activity without touching you. Because your brain activity is not contained in your head. It’s a broadcast, you’re a tuning fork. All of us are tuning forks. What happens if you get a large number of tuning forks on the exact same frequency? The power of that energy is totally enhanced. If you get a large number of people thinking the same thought, then you manifest the reality. A quantum physicist told us in 1930, in Newtonian physics the world looks like a great machine. In quantum physics, no, it’s more of a great thought than a great mechanism. Quantum physicists recognize from the very beginning that consciousness is fundamental in shaping and creating the world that we experience. Change your consciousness and you change the world that we live in.
Alan Steinfeld
And you also change your genes and then you change the reproductive genes and so that’s really what I feel is meant by the evolution of epigenetics is that you have a new thought, you have a new desire, then your offspring. Talk about that a little bit because I think that’s where it’s really important.
Bruce Lipton
When we talk about evolution, we talk about Charlie Darwin. Darwinian theory which is summarized as a world based on a struggle for survival with the competition for fitness. Look out at the world we just created, a whole world based on struggle and survival and competition. It fit our belief system. Is that theory right? Everyone says Darwin came up with a theory of evolution. That’s total belief system. The truth is, Darwin did not come up with the theory of evolution.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, because he never explained how one species became another species. He said there’s adaptation, but he did not specify the mechanism for speciation.
Bruce Lipton
No, and he started off with random. He said, you mate two dogs, you get a litter of puppies, and nine out of ten are just like the parents and then there’s one called the runt of a litter. You can’t predict that. You don’t know which one’s gonna be the runt. So he says, a hereditary change that produces a runt was an accident. Then he takes that, he says, what if you get this runt and you breed it with that runt? You’re going to get a family of runts. If you keep breeding the weirdos, you can move out of the existing species, and into another species.
Alan Steinfeld
Can you really move into another species, though?
Bruce Lipton
Theoretically maybe. But then you’re leaving out the fact that the environment is responsible for changing this. And the environment doesn’t support the species, that species is gone. Dinosaurs lived in a world with a different environment and when the environment changed, the dinosaurs disappeared. Lamarck, 50 years before Darwin, published the first scientific paper on the theory of evolution. He was right. The difference between Lamarck and Darwin is Lamarck suggested that there was a relationship between the environment and the organism so that there was an instructional relationship as the environment changed, it changed the organism to be compatible with the environment. So that evolution wasn’t an accident. We were adapting continuously to the environment. Darwinian theory takes away that adaptation and says, no, it’s all an accident. This is where Darwin is wrong and Lamarck is right. What happens to me in my life today can influence my offspring. It’s not that I change my genes, I changed my epigenetics. There’s a gene, which is a blueprint, and then there’s a way of reading the blueprint. Epigenetics can change the way you read it but not necessarily change the gene. We now find for example that a gene which is a blueprint to make a protein in the body, that through environmental interactions, one gene can create up to 3,000 different proteins by the way it’s read. You’re not limited by the genes. You’re limited by the way you read the genes. But that’s you! Your beliefs, your perceptions, your attitudes. You think you’re going to get cancer? Then you will send information to your cells that will generate cancer. You will manifest your beliefs.
Alan Steinfeld
So if you think you’re going to be healthy and strong and vital and intelligent, then it’s not just thinking, it’s knowing it, believing it, and feeling it that changes the expression.
Bruce Lipton
That’s why it’s so important when you’re raising a child, to recognize, remember I said the first seven years you download the programs from other people. You may ask, why would you do that? Why don’t you just have your own programs? You go to the Apple store and you buy a brand new iPod. You take it out of the box and on the touch screen is all these different things. The touch screen is creative. I can create a music list, and I can create the parameters of playing that music. The touch screen is conscious mind, creative. You take it out of the box and I say push play. Nothing happens. Because you didn’t download any music. You cannot be conscious unless you have some programs to be conscious of. That is why nature made the first seven years programmable. Put the program in, consciousness kicks in at around age seven. Can use the program, but when you become very conscious, you can recognize, but I can change the program. Then you have power. Then you have freedom. But if you don’t realize you can change the program, then you are run by the program. Everyone has seen the movie called The Matrix. The premise is that we’ve all been programmed. If you take a blue pill, you go back into the program and life is always the way it is. If you take a red pill, you get out of the program. The Matrix is a documentary. We have all been programmed. And these programs control our lives. The Jesuits for 400 years have said give me a child until it’s six or seven and it will belong to the church for the rest of its life. You give me the download program of seven years, and I will control the fate of that child. This child will always belong to the church because I programmed it to be that way. It is the matrix. We’ve been programmed. Psychologists will tell you the programming that we’ve been passed down is predominantly disempowering programs. Our power as a human has been diminished by the program. In today’s world those people that regulate programming are far better at it than the Jesuits could have ever imagined. Our life is an expression of a program that we have been given. A program of Darwinian competition, a program of being a victim to our genes. These programs run your life because now we know 95% of your life comes from the programs. Conscious mind controls 5%. Your life doesn’t match your wishes and desires because you’re only using wishes and desires, conscious mind, 5% of the time. You are operating from subconscious 95% of the time. What happens if you get out of the program? You take the red pill. Almost everybody out there has taken a red pill without knowing they did. One of the red pills is falling in love. Look at your life before you met somebody that you fell in love with. Everyday was a blah, blah, life, hard, trouble, struggle. And then you meet this one person and the next day it’s like life is so beautiful.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s the honeymoon effect you’re talking about.
Bruce Lipton
Yeah, that’s the honeymoon effect. How’d you create from up to this moment till you met this person life was trouble. And then you meet this person, the next day you’re healthier, you got more energy, you’re so happy with life. It’s the equivalent of taking the red pill. The honeymoon is an expression of the first time in your life that you’re not following the program, that you’re actually now operating from your conscious mind which is wishes and desires. The first thing you did was create heaven on earth. That was already available to me except for the program didn’t let me get there. Every human is equally powerful in their potential. How did some humans, let’s say like Bill Gates, get all that power? They didn’t get more powerful, they took away your power. When you got less powerful, they became more powerful. You’ve been programmed to be disempowered to control you. As soon as you relieve yourself of a program that constricts you to a belief system. When you let go of that program, you are no longer a prisoner of that belief system. The moment you let go of that program of victim and struggle and fight and you end up being in love. The unfortunate part about why the honeymoon is interesting is because it is a moment where you actually stop playing the program. The result of taking the red pill, meant that your life profoundly changed. But at some point even the honeymoon starts to fade away. Why am I operating from my subconscious mind 95% of the time? Because there’s a very unique part of the conscious mind that makes it so powerful and that is that it can think.
Alan Steinfeld
Mm-hmm.
Bruce Lipton
What happens when it’s thinking? I say to you, Alan, what are you doing on Tuesday at four o’clock? Now you have to think. You have to go back and say, what am I doing on that day? What’s happening when you’re thinking? Your conscious mind’s not paying attention. Your conscious mind’s deep into your head. It’s thinking about what’s going to happen on Tuesday. Does that mean the moment you start thinking, you stop everything that you’re doing? Absolutely not. The moment that you are thinking is you default to the subconscious program. How much thinking do we do during the day? 95%. Then 95% of the day my conscious mind is thinking so my behavior is automatically controlled by default by the subconscious. If you’re walking and you have a thought, you don’t stop walking, you continue walking.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re saying being present, being in control of our life, being creative, being in the moment, in the flow brings back the power to the conscious mind so our subconscious programs don’t run us.
Bruce Lipton
Absolutely. But our world is so busy that it’s a very difficult process to keep your conscious mind present. Mindfulness. Falling in love is an automatic mechanism that encourages mindfulness. Once you started to do your own creation without the program, you got healthy, you got happy, and life was heaven on earth. But once you start thinking again, because I still have a job. I still got to pay the rent. I got to take care of my chores. As soon as life starts to intrude, I have to start thinking about all the things I’m doing. The moment you start thinking is the moment you default to those subconscious behaviors. Those aren’t your behaviors. Those are the programs you got from your parents. You start to see that sometimes you behave like your parent and it almost is embarrassing. As soon as the program takes back, all that juiciness of all the wonderful things of falling in love are now compromised because now you’re bringing the old behavior back in and that messes up the relationship and that’s usually why the honeymoon ends because now both people aren’t operating from conscious mind. They’re both defaulting to programs.
Alan Steinfeld
So a way out, just what’s a simple, simple way out?
Bruce Lipton
I love simple way outs. It’s very simple. You change your beliefs, you change your biology. The problem is I have subconscious beliefs. The subconscious doesn’t learn in the way the conscious mind learns. So you can’t talk your way into it. The conscious mind is essentially the creative mind that says let’s be healthy and spiritual. But the subconscious is a machine, a record playback device. It’s a tape player. You say, dear subconscious mind, I want to be more healthy. Let’s start exercising more. And let’s not eat that junk food over there. Does a machine change its program because you talk to it? No. If you want to change the program in the subconscious, you have to use the process to engage the subconscious mechanism. There are three ways. Hypnosis, going to bed at night, that’s natural every night. Number two, repetition, habituation. A practice. And third is the new psychology called energy psychology, which basically are equivalent of super learning mechanisms. On my website, I have a listing of belief change modification techniques, energy psychology techniques, 20 or more of them. They engage a super learning process, and it’s through super learning that we can rewrite that subconscious. There are three fundamental ways. Reading a self-help book will not do it. Going to a lecture will not do it. Hypnosis, habituation, or energy psychology, those are the ways to rewrite the program. When you rewrite your programs to match the wishes and desires of your conscious mind, you don’t have to think anymore. Whatever behavior happens, you automatically are playing programs. And if the programs are the wishes and desires, then heaven on earth is 100% full time, all day long. You rewrite your subconscious beliefs to match your wishes and desires. Heaven is guaranteed.
Alan Steinfeld
You can change genetics in eight hours. So meditation for example, you can change your genetics. This is the new science, this is science of empowerment and it’s a required science for us to understand so we stop pretending we’re the victims. If you believe you’re a victim, you become a victim. Do you believe there’s a point in our collective history where we wake up and everyone’s taken the red pill, we know it and we do have a heaven on earth.
Bruce Lipton
If it’s gonna happen. We’ve been here before. This is not the first civilization to come to mastery of the environment and stuff. There were massive civilizations that were here that died out 10,000 years ago. There are cycles here and we’re ending a cycle. The question is will we make the jump or will we not make the jump. I don’t know. It could be 50-50 far as I know.
Alan Steinfeld
Well let’s put out the positive belief that we will.
Bruce Lipton
I firmly believe it because I already know so many people that have moved out of the belief system, taken that red pill, got out of the belief system and live in a very healthy wonderful environment in the midst of a world falling apart. That’s your choice. You can be in the world falling apart, or join another world that is building and is healthy and in harmony. Extinction is looming within 100 years. Extinction is a likely possibility. Changes are gonna occur within the next few years. Right now is the time of change and that’s why it’s so important for people to become knowledgeable. Knowledge is power. A lack of knowledge is a lack of power. We have been deprived of fundamental knowledge of how humans work and their mechanisms. If you don’t have the knowledge of how your biology works then you are powerless in controlling your biology and this is why there’s a new science and a new biology and therefore a new evolution in front of us.
Alan Steinfeld
What’s even worse than no knowledge is false, wrong knowledge.
Bruce Lipton
Yeah, because it’s knowledge that in this case is nocebo and can kill you. That’s what we’re facing right now.
Alan Steinfeld
There’s a massive audience of people looking for new answers. New ways of life. I appreciate your time. You’re a one man revolution. You’ve worked hard and I know you’ve thought about these things for a long time before you came public and wrote your first book. It’s all paid off by taking the chance that you did to be original and different and you’re making a huge difference in biology, in people’s lives. So thanks again.
Bruce Lipton
Alan, I look forward to seeing you again, my brother, because I so appreciate all the work you’re doing and helping us evolve. Thank you my cultural creative brother.
Alan Steinfeld
Thanks Bruce Lipton. This is Alan Steinfeld for New Realities. And if you want to contact me, contact me at newrealities@earthlink.net or check my website newrealities.com. Thank you for listening.