Summary
In this episode of New Realities, Alan Steinfeld and Suzanne Ross interview Dalia Burgoin, an expert in ‘mindsight,’ the ability to perceive surroundings without using physical eyes. Dalia explains how she trains both sighted and blind individuals to activate this innate sense by perceiving light and expanding their awareness. She demonstrates her abilities by identifying objects and reading text while triple-blindfolded. The conversation also covers telepathy, telekinesis, dream communication, and how these emerging human capabilities are expanding our understanding of consciousness and reality.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities, I’m Alan Steinfeld. I’ve had some amazing conversations over the past couple of years on New Realities, but this interview with Dalia Burgoin is one of the best. I’ve learned a lot about human potential here, and I want to share this exciting exploration. Enjoy, and know what you hear and see on this video is possible for you. Get ready for Mindsight. Thank you.
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome back to New Realities. I am so happy to be here on another show with my co-host and producer of the Sedona Ascension Retreat, Suzanne Ross. And probably one of my favorite people coming to that retreat is Dalia Burgoin. She is, I mean, really, you just blow people away because she can actually see through her blindfolds. And we’re going to demonstrate that the best we can on Zoom here, just to show you, I know it’s possible, but just to show the audience it’s possible. But let’s just give a little preview of the event coming up in March in Sedona, Suzanne.
Suzanne Ross
Here we go. The 2026 Sedona Ascension Retreat, Alan. I’m getting so excited and it’s really only a few months away now in the spring equinox, there in the beautiful spiraling vortex of Sedona. So, of course, we’re very excited today to have Dalia on, and down in the bottom left-hand corner you can see, we’re going to have a Psi Games Telepathy and Mindsight presentation with Dr. Diane Hennacy from the Telepathy Tapes, as well as Hakim Isler, founder of the Psi Games, and Dalia, Mindsight expert, and her daughter, autistic savant Leedoo, who’s telepathic. So, let’s dive right into that.
Alan Steinfeld
I’m so happy you’re here, Dalia. And what Dalia does, she puts on these blindfolds, and I know she can’t see, she tapes up her eyes, we’ll do a demonstration, and she could see what’s in front of her without opening her eyes, without seeing it with her eyes. Can you explain actually how that actually can happen, or maybe there’s no explanation, but how do you explain it?
Dalia Burgoin
That’s what we’re trying to figure out right now. I’m working with a few different scientists, like Alex Gomez, and we’re trying to figure out how this is working. I know how to make it work, and I know how to train it really well. There are some theories that we are using our spiritual eyes. There are theories that our perception makes it so that we can see more or see less. Another theory is that it is the light receptors in our skin. That is a theory and it could be, I’m not sure, but I know how to activate it and help people to see it, whether they’re sighted or blind.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, actually I was going to say that I could see through my skin, in a sense, I could feel if it’s day or it’s night through the skin receptors, so there is some type of receptor ship on the level of the skin. Another thing I want to say, when you put the blindfolds on me and you started to show me the windows that were open, I actually didn’t know what I was seeing until you pointed out what I was seeing. So, you allowed a cognition of these other levels of seeing that probably all of us have, but you’re making us aware of the cognitive viability of this other sensing. Does that make sense?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, what’s interesting is when you first start teaching it to someone, you have to kind of trick them into having the experience. You have to trick them in order to be able to see from far away, and behind them, and above their head, because their current mindset doesn’t believe it’s possible. Even if they believe in the phenomenon, there’s still a part of them that doesn’t believe they can do it. So what happens is, I’ll put on the blindfold and I help them to activate, to start seeing color at first. Without them realizing it, I’m getting the color farther and farther away. They don’t know it’s getting farther away. I’m doing it to help them progress, but they have no idea where it is. It could be behind them, it could be above their head, and they think they’re looking in one spot, right here the whole time. It doesn’t matter where I go, they’re still going to be looking in that one spot, even if it’s behind them. And then usually I’ll tell them to take off their mask once I’ve progressed them enough, and they’ll usually be really shocked at where the color was coming from. It might be 10 feet behind them, or it might be 20 feet in front of them, and they say, ‘What? I thought the whole time you were right here next to me.’ It’s funny how our perception does that.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, what you were showing me was that there’s something that we’re seeing, but it’s not quite seeing. It’s not quite like I’m looking at a color now, but I wouldn’t see that color in the same way with mindsight, right? It’s sort of a different…
Dalia Burgoin
At first, it’s not exactly the same, but then it starts to overlap with how we normally perceive, and it starts to look very similar. The only way you can tell the difference is if you start to look for the differences. I do that with a lot of people, once their mindsight is open, I’ll start showing them the difference between their eyes and mindsight, and they’re usually very shocked.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. How long does it take to actually work with someone? I was there with these five-year-olds at the Psi Games, and they were immediately doing it, Suzanne. They sat down, she said what shape, what color, and these kids just got it. That was just fantastic to see.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, and it’s funny because really anybody can open that quickly. But most adults, the reason why it’s a little bit slower with them is because they usually will question it. They will usually say, ‘This is not possible,’ and their rational mind will come up with all these reasons, other than they’re using mindsight, to try to explain it. So instead of just experiencing it, they kind of go through that. What I usually do with adults is I offer them a process, and they can believe in the process. They usually will open because they believe so much in the process, the authority they’re giving to me, and the confidence that I have. Because I’ve seen everyone do it. No matter where you’re coming from, even if you have no eyes at all, I’ve seen them doing it. To me there’s complete confidence that anybody could do it. That kind of helps with the adults picking it up. They are starting to pick it up faster and faster because the more stories I give them, the more they’re starting to believe it faster.
Alan Steinfeld
Well I think I did okay, didn’t I? I think I…
Dalia Burgoin
Oh yes, you would be instant. You would be one of the instantaneous ones.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s why I want to take a whole weekend with you. So wow, it’s right there. I know that you were tricking people in a way because you were showing the light and you could also actually see the flesh and then with that awareness, you can start to see things that are not just the light, right? Is that one way you were sort of…
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, wherever I want someone to see, that is where I put the light. So if I want them to see behind them, I will then make it so there’s less light in the front and there’s a lot of light in the back. I will start doing it to see back there. And in their blind spots in places that they normally can’t see because their mind thinks they’re seeing it, it’s a very strange phenomenon.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, it’s so amazing. When I see you do it, or I was getting a sense of doing it, it’s another cognition. It really is. There’s a perception there that you’re just not recognizing, so it’s a training in recognition. That’s how I’d explain it. Right?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. This is how I normally do the training, you can tell things apart with all your senses. You can tell them apart by touch, by smell, by feel, by hearing. I teach people to tell everything apart from all their senses. The one that you’re seeing when I have the blindfold, that one’s the light sense, and that’s why I’m using so much light. Eventually you start taking away the light until you can do it in the dark. It’s just so interesting. The way you do it with a blind person is very similar to when you’re blindfolded. They go through the same process. With the blind though, it’s just about showing them the light and then them focusing on it like, ‘Wait a minute, hey, I can see this light,’ even though they haven’t perceived it for the last 30 years or so. There have been people who haven’t seen light for 30 or 40 years I’ve worked with. And then just in five minutes they’re seeing that light. That’s the first step is seeing light.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’m going to definitely turn this person on who did a course with me who could definitely use that. But the thing you also did at the Contact in the Desert, someone was on the other side of the room and was holding a piece of paper, and you were on the stage, maybe 50 feet away, and you could read what she was looking at on a piece of paper. Is that right? Isn’t that what happened?
Dalia Burgoin
I think that one’s Leedoo.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, that was Leedoo? Okay.
Dalia Burgoin
So Leedoo was able to use telepathy where she could, that’s the mind reading thing. But if she had been holding it this way, because you can train to do it the way you’re saying, if she had been holding it this way from 50 feet, I could have read it. Probably yes.
Alan Steinfeld
With blindfolds even? Yes.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, if you wear the blindfold you usually can see much further than you can with your regular eyes. And also in your blind spots, in places you normally can’t reach with your normal eyes, that’s impossible for human eyes to reach. You can see in those areas with your blindfold on, or if you’re blind. Another thing as a side effect, in all the seminars and trainings I’ve done, there has been a lot of side effects that have been interesting. One of them is most people who do the training don’t need their glasses anymore. It’s like, without the blindfold, their eyesight seems to heal for some reason. I’m not really sure what’s causing that, but from now on, in all the seminars, I’m always going to bring an eye chart so that they can test their eyesight before and after the training. Even if it’s one or two days, people’s eyesight actually improves. It’s a strange thing.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s so interesting you said that because I just went for an eye exam yesterday and I felt like my vision was like 20/20, 20/30. I felt like I wasn’t actually seeing the numbers or the letters, I was getting a sense of it, and when I said it, it was right. I mean, I was sort of seeing it, but I also kind of did a little mindsight on that, and it seemed like I got those numbers and letters right. I guess that was a kind of side effect I thought. Yes, I just had that experience.
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, that’s really good vision. Yes, I’ve actually been wanting to play around with going to an eye doctor and just having my blindfold on and doing it backwards and seeing their reaction.
Alan Steinfeld
Let’s do that. No, this is really a revolution, Dalia. I know you learned it from someone, but I think you’ve taken it to a whole other level because you’re such a nice, open person and you’re so enthusiastic about teaching it, it’s just so much fun to watch you do this and to learn it. I definitely want to learn that. Suzanne, how about you?
Suzanne Ross
Absolutely. I was thinking, obviously the most important application would be for blind people, and then you could help people like myself who have limited vision, that would be wonderful. But for your average person who can see perfectly well with their eyes, what would be the benefit? What really comes up for me is just having that expanded awareness, and developing these innate gifts and abilities that we do have. If you were in a situation where you couldn’t see for some reason, and you had the full 360 awareness, it feels like it would just be so beneficial. We’re always talking about expanded awareness and enhancing our sense perceptions and having a sixth sense, and it feels like it’s all tied together. Alan, I know that you’re very good at remote viewing and teaching remote viewing, and it feels like that’s connected. Then I think of people who are psychic and they’re seeing into the past or the future, or even mediums who are seeing beyond the veil. It really feels all interconnected. Maybe when you really enhance one gift, like mindsight and remote viewing, you’re really bringing online all of these different types of gifts, including telepathy.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Do you think so, Dalia, about that?
Dalia Burgoin
I agree completely. The main benefit that every sighted person has told me is that it’s changed their life. It’s changed their perception about themselves and about the world and reality, and it’s expanded their awareness. It’s gotten them more into the other gifts that they have. They realize that there’s just so unlimited. That’s usually what happens with a sighted person. I always say this is an ability we definitely already have, and it’s similar to, I always use the metaphor of back in the 80s, 90s, the 70s, when we used to memorize phone numbers. We used to be able to memorize 50, 60 phone numbers. But today, the kids probably don’t even know we used to do that because it’s not a necessity anymore. It’s an ability we already have that they don’t realize we have. I always think of the mindsight like that. This must have been something that was very useful before, because it’s very useful in the dark. But it’s not as needed anymore with all the light we have and glasses and all of these things. I think that’s why it’s gotten lost in time. But it is extremely useful for the expanded awareness and definitely for the blind. I’ve seen blind people, even if they have no eyes, reading sentences in a very short amount of time too. Sometimes they like to play with having a blindfold on, and they’ll read even faster. They’ll say the blindfold adds some contrast, and not just reading, but they’re seeing their family members’ faces, and they’re seeing things for the first time they’ve never been able to see. It’s super life-changing.
Alan Steinfeld
Have you been to a school of the blind? Have you done that yet?
Dalia Burgoin
Not yet. I’ve been invited to go to a blind hospital though. And so that I’m very excited for. The details are still being worked out, but I would absolutely love that.
Alan Steinfeld
I want to connect you to this woman who was in my remote viewing class who was blind, but a great remote viewer, and I think she’s looking to educate people in this field. I’ll give you her number, and would you just call her and talk to her?
Dalia Burgoin
Absolutely.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh good.
Dalia Burgoin
When it’s about helping the blind, I mean I want to do it with everyone, but the blind I actually see an immediate benefit to someone’s life, and so it’s very satisfying. It reminds me of when I started helping my daughter to spell. Once she started communicating, I started to see the benefit immediately. When I first started working with the visually impaired, I thought, this reminds me of Leedoo. I remember working when Leedoo first started spelling to communicate and she had her provider, and I thought this provider has given me such a gift in my life and what she’s doing is so meaningful, I want to do something that meaningful. I just remember thinking, I don’t have the personality to work with other kids like Leedoo. It’s already hard enough to work with Leedoo. Sometimes they’ll lose control of their body and hit, and I don’t want to do that with a person that’s twice my size. But what they’re doing is so meaningful, helping these kids to communicate. I remember the first blind person I worked with, a man who was born blind. After we practiced, I remember thinking this is so meaningful, he’s starting to see. I thought this is the most incredible thing. Then I remember getting up and saying, ‘Hey, I’ll walk you outside. Let’s go practice outside.’ I gave him my arm the way I do Leedoo, because he needed my arm too. As soon as he grabbed my arm for support, I said, ‘Oh my gosh, this is just like what I wanted. It reminds me of Leedoo altogether, but I’m doing something just as meaningful. This time it’s something I actually can provide and bring out to the world.’ Every time I walk with a person that’s blind or visually impaired and they grab my arm for support, I just remember how happy it makes me to be doing this work.
Alan Steinfeld
Great. Wow. That’s good. Actually, I found this woman’s email. She is looking for something like this, so I think there’s thousands of people you can help out there. That’s quite a great work you’re doing. We could demonstrate it because we’re just talking about it. Of course it’s more believable in person, but I know you can do this, so tell us what you’re going to do to demonstrate this on Zoom.
Dalia Burgoin
Okay. I’m just going to tape my eyes, I just found a couple of eye patches. So I’m going to tape my eyes with this.
Alan Steinfeld
You’re going to tape them over your eyes.
Dalia Burgoin
So these are eye patches. These are sticky ones.
Alan Steinfeld
When you’re looking, are you still seeing through them now even though you have that patch on?
Dalia Burgoin
No, I’m not. I usually don’t see until I put my blindfold on. Hopefully.
Alan Steinfeld
Why is that? I’m wondering.
Dalia Burgoin
Because I purposely trained myself not to see through the patches. And that way I know my eyes are totally covered.
Alan Steinfeld
So you could turn mindsight off and on, you’re saying.
Dalia Burgoin
Well, it’s more like I conditioned myself. Right now I have my eyes closed. If I open it, I don’t see. But I conditioned myself so every time I take off my mask, I go blind again. And then I know everything was actually sealed. It’s more of a fun thing that I do for myself. Okay, so this mask right here has duct tape on the bottom. Where is my other mask? Oh, here it is, pretty sure I have another mask. Okay. The reason is because a lot of people will see this part right here and they think people are peeking. When in reality you can’t peek through these masks. I mean, maybe you can loosen it up and make it go higher, even then it’s really hard to peek through this mask. I’ve had people on their first day, I always have them try to peek through it. I say contort your face as much as you can, loosen it, can you see this? And they’ll say no. I get them recorded saying it so that later on when they’re seeing they can remember that recording.
Alan Steinfeld
I totally believe you cannot see. I’ve used those masks and you’re putting double. So she has tape over her eyes, she has one mask and another mask.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s okay. I mean, the tape over your eyes would have done it for me, but alright, so is it completely dark in there for you or are you already seeing stuff?
Dalia Burgoin
No, I can see now. I can see.
Suzanne Ross
That’s like triple blindfolded.
Alan Steinfeld
You’re like triple blindfolded. Right. Wow. Now you programmed yourself to see cause you have the masks on. But what are you seeing? Are you seeing your room as it is or are you seeing more than your room?
Dalia Burgoin
I am seeing you guys. I’m seeing the computer screen.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh you are? So it’s just as easy to see on the computer screen than it is to see around you.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes.
Suzanne Ross
I’m gonna hold something up Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, okay. She’s gonna hold something up.
Dalia Burgoin
It is a quartz crystal, I guess, a long one.
Alan Steinfeld
I want to know how you actually see that? How do you…
Dalia Burgoin
So it looks like, to me it looks like I’m using my eyes, that’s what it looks like. But if I take it off, I will notice slight differences.
Alan Steinfeld
What differences do you notice between seeing mindsight and seeing with your eyes?
Dalia Burgoin
It’s more like what the light does is different. Sometimes your eyes will go blurry. Like if I bring something close to my face right now, it never goes blurry. But if I were to hold, and this is stuff that people don’t notice that is true about our eyes, like if I bring this shape for example, this is a diamond, if I were to bring it really close with my regular eyes, it will get blurry at some point. Or the light will change on it, but it doesn’t get blurry at all. It stays exactly the same. Those are slight differences you’ll notice with mindsight versus with your real eyes.
Alan Steinfeld
So interesting. Go ahead, you have something else, Suzanne?
Suzanne Ross
Yes.
Dalia Burgoin
Okay. That is, it looks like a wooden star or something.
Suzanne Ross
Exactly. That’s exactly what it is.
Alan Steinfeld
Amazing, amazing. So you told me that there’s windows, when you’re training with this, there’s like windows that open up, right?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
In there. And you learn to see through these kind of etheric type windows, right?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. Here, I’ll hold something. I got something. Okay.
Dalia Burgoin
So that’s a hairbrush.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow.
Dalia Burgoin
It’s white or beige.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s silver actually, sort of, but let me see… I’m showing the back, can you see what the back of the brush looks like?
Dalia Burgoin
No, I’m only seeing as if I’m using my eyes right now.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, that’s the front. And that’s the back.
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, weird. Before you turned it around, I did see the back of it.
Alan Steinfeld
You did?
Dalia Burgoin
That was weird.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you mean it was weird?
Dalia Burgoin
Like I could see the front and the back all at once.
Alan Steinfeld
I see.
Dalia Burgoin
For a split second I did.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow, see you’re evolving your talents.
Dalia Burgoin
That’s so cool. I actually have a student that’s blind that can do that. If I give him a bunch of cards, he can see them all at once. So he can see the ones behind it without moving them.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, well we definitely need to take him into Las Vegas.
Suzanne Ross
Can I hold up a picture?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. That is a picture of Jesus, I think.
Suzanne Ross
Very good. Oh my gosh. That’s incredible.
Alan Steinfeld
I wanna hold up something now, okay? Ready?
Dalia Burgoin
And that is a highlighter, I think.
Alan Steinfeld
What color?
Dalia Burgoin
It’s yellow.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. I mean I think people watching might think she’s getting the cue, but she’s not. I’m just picking arbitrary things in my field here. If I read a page of a pamphlet, could you read something?
Dalia Burgoin
Put it on the screen, I might be able to.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay wait. I have to take off my blur background.
Dalia Burgoin
Okay, it says Cincinnati Metro Northern Kentucky Convention Center.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. At the top it says Hidden Truth, what does that say? Says Hidden Truth, a modern analysis of lost research. Right, and what’s the top line say?
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, top line says Mufon Symposium 2025.
Alan Steinfeld
What kind of Symposium did you say it was?
Dalia Burgoin
It said Hufon or something.
Alan Steinfeld
Mufon, M-U-F-O-N.
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, M. Oh, it looked like an H for a second.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, sorry. Well the H was right below it, but this is amazing though. Every time you do this I am blown away because like you said, I know everyone can do it, and the belief systems that you can’t is what’s really stopping us. But can you just take that mask off right now, the top one? I want you to take that mask off.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, just reminding people that this is just a top mask, but this right here has the tape on the bottom. As soon as I took off this mask, it went black again, so now I don’t see anything.
Alan Steinfeld
If you wanted to, you could see through the taped up stuff, right?
Dalia Burgoin
I would have to push myself through it, yes. But if I did then it would be hard to train myself to not see through it again.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow.
Dalia Burgoin
I do that to make sure, cause oftentimes if I don’t have something blocking, I can’t tell if I’m totally covering my eyes or not, cause it’s kind of hard to tell the difference.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, are your eyes open or closed? It doesn’t matter?
Dalia Burgoin
It doesn’t matter, but I’m doing a muscle that makes it feel like I’m opening my eyes. With the patches, when I have multiple patches, my eyes are being forced closed, but I’m doing this muscle, the muscle you use to open your eyes as an anchor to say I want to see.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, wait, you’re using that muscle as if your eyes are open, but they’re not really open.
Dalia Burgoin
Right, not with all those layers, no. When I have just one, I do open my eyes, because it’s just the easiest anchor to tell my brain hey I want to see.
Alan Steinfeld
So when you put this mask on, what happens immediately to the darkness that most people would see?
Dalia Burgoin
I still see. It’s as if I’m not putting the mask on. Because I don’t have the patches, as soon as I put it on, it looks as if the mask is like right here. That’s what it looks like.
Alan Steinfeld
This is fantastic. Suzanne.
Dalia Burgoin
I can also see, let me see if I can. Sometimes the back windows, I don’t use them enough, but I want to see if I can see behind you holding… let me hold something up.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’m gonna hold these up because my back windows…
Dalia Burgoin
They’re right there, let me see if I can see them. Oh I can see them, yes. They’re not completely, it takes me a bit, they’re not fully that consistent. Let me see. Well I already know what that one was, sorry.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s okay. That one you’re holding behind you.
Dalia Burgoin
So there’s windows behind your head. This is an open circle.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, yes it is.
Dalia Burgoin
Okay, let me just pick this one. I don’t know what it is yet. This one, I think it’s a closed circle.
Alan Steinfeld
Is it a closed circle?
Dalia Burgoin
It is. It’s a closed circle. Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
Could you read something that Suzanne holds up in the back of your head? Do you want to try that?
Dalia Burgoin
No, it needs to be a little bit closer cause I don’t use the back of my head enough. So one of the things you see in the training is the first thing I do is I’ll get the windows open and then the very first step is getting you to be able to see as far as possible. I do that with everyone in the front, the back, and above. With myself, nobody has been able to help me go really far back, cause you need somebody else to pull it back for you. So mine is very near-sighted.
Alan Steinfeld
How long does it take to actually train someone to do that initial window opening stuff?
Dalia Burgoin
It could be within a half hour. It could be really quickly, depending on, or it could be within a few minutes if they’re very open like a child. But usually with an adult that has a skeptical mind, I could push it through and they could be seeing in about a half hour to 40 minutes. It’s only going to be a little bit though, and then I progress them. There’s a lot of progression to be able to see more. At first you’re only going to see a tiny bit. The first thing I do is I get them to see really far away because that helps open it. And then also I start doing things like this, because it’s a small window, I’ll say something like, ‘How much of the shape can you see?’ They’ll say, ‘Oh, just half of it.’ And then I’ll say, ‘Okay, I want you to really try and see both at the same time.’ As they’re straining to see both of these, I’ll do that for a couple of minutes, then I’ll say, ‘Now how much can you see the shape?’ And they’ll say, ‘Oh, I can see the whole thing now.’ That’s how I can progress the windows that way too.
Alan Steinfeld
And so you do it in the front and the back. You actually can do this with just eyes closed. You don’t need a mask at all. I was starting to do it when you were holding stuff with my eyes closed.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I’ve actually trained people with just eyes closed as well. And of course blind people, there’s no mask. I don’t train them with a mask until after they’re seeing already, and then I give them a mask because it’s just another way to progress them.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, it’s not exactly seeing though, is it? I mean it’s a whole other sense in a way. It’s like a psychic sense or, I mean it is seeing I guess on some level, but…
Suzanne Ross
They’re related, I really feel like they’re related. It’s funny you were talking about…
Dalia Burgoin
Because you could access it with your eyes open. And so I think a lot of what you were doing at the eye doctor, I think what you were doing was kind of incorporating that ability.
Alan Steinfeld
I was. What were you saying, Suzanne, about…
Suzanne Ross
Well, I was training with a gal to enhance my psychic awareness, and she was saying, ‘I want you to see as far as you can out into the distance.’ So standing outside, I was trying to see as far as I could, and then she said, ‘See how close you can see.’ So I was trying to see the thing that was closest to me. Then she was challenging me to see as far away as I could, and as close up as I could, and everything in between. Which is hard. You kind of had to do it one step at a time. Because we tend to only see a limited bandwidth of that which we’re interested in seeing maybe, and not really seeing to the full capacity of even just our own vision with our eyes open. You might be in a grocery store and you could really see much further than your attention is focused upon. By doing all of these different experiments with seeing close, and seeing far, and seeing in between, and seeing in the air where there’s nothing, I really started to advance my psychic abilities through those practices. I just thought it was interesting that you were incorporating that in your mindsight training too, because I do think that it’s all connected.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, and going along with what you said, when my mindsight first opened, I saw so many different ways. I was able to see telescopic vision, microscopic vision, I was able to see in the dark. It was very overwhelming. So I kind of focused until it started to look like my normal eyes. It’s almost like it balanced. And now I mostly see as if I’m using my eyes, except for when it’s behind me or above my head. But I know that I’m able to see much more because I have experienced it. And like what you were saying, we could do that with our eyes open too because mindsight is not limited to having to be blacked out or have a mask on. It’s just the quickest way that I know of to train it. But like you said, we have access to being able to see in so many ways.
Suzanne Ross
Another practice that she was having me do that’s coming to mind, Dalia, was to, like I’m sitting here looking at my office right now, and I’ve got lights and pictures and a printer and a heater, and she would say, ‘Look at all of it, and then close your eyes and bring it all back up. See it clearly with your eyes closed. Remember vividly that stuff that’s in front of you right now.’ And then just to practice that all the time. That also really seemed to enhance my expanded awareness.
Alan Steinfeld
So, Dalia, do you think that we could see through the wall because what’s really the difference in a way? I mean, if you’re seeing without your eyes you could have x-ray vision. I used to love the Superman stuff.
Dalia Burgoin
I’ve seen it. One of my students who doesn’t have eyes can do it. It actually surprised me. I noticed he was the same one I could see through the cards. I started putting the cards under the table at first. And he was easily able to see it. He was able to describe them all and he kept on saying, ‘Oh, I’m getting distracted because,’ and then he starts describing what’s under the table. ‘I’m seeing the tiles, I’m seeing this ball under the table.’ I’m like, ‘Yes, yes, you’re seeing all of it. I want you to just focus on what I’m tapping.’ He had lost his vision when he was three and he had never seen playing cards before. So I put a playing card under the table. It was a blind shuffle too, so I didn’t even know what card it was. He said, ‘Well, I know it’s red,’ and it was a red card. He said, ‘Since it’s my first time seeing everything, where are the numbers supposed to be? I’m seeing angles and lines and they’re connecting.’ He said, ‘I can’t really tell what the number is. Let me look at the suit. I can tell the suit has two curves and a point at the end. I don’t know, is it a heart suit?’ I said, ‘Yes, it is.’ And he said, ‘I’m guessing it’s a one because I only see one of the suit.’ Based on how he described the one, he actually was describing the A perfectly, but he didn’t realize that the cards had an ace on it instead of a one. So I had to explain that to him. But yes, he could see through the walls and he can see under the tables.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, if he could do that, you could do that Dalia, I’m sure.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, most definitely. It’s just I haven’t trained myself up on it. But yes, seeing him do it, definitely.
Alan Steinfeld
And then you could see, like I’m looking at a wall, I could see who’s in the next apartment or something, right?
Suzanne Ross
I mean that starts to feel like remote viewing, doesn’t it, Alan?
Alan Steinfeld
It’s remote viewing. Yes.
Dalia Burgoin
I guess it is like remote viewing. I’ve had someone ask, ‘Can you see through a curtain or something?’ I said, ‘Yes, I’ve done that.’ And they said, ‘Well then can you do it through a wall or table?’ I said, ‘I haven’t tried it. I probably can, but I know a student that can.’ Then they said, ‘Can you have him see into another room?’ They’re basically trying to set up a test. I said, ‘At what point is it going to be mindsight and what point is it remote viewing?’
Alan Steinfeld
The difference between me from a little I did of mindsight and remote viewing, when I do remote viewing I don’t need to be anywhere near a target at all. I put my intention, and the pictures come to me. But I’m not looking, like it’s an active process to look with seeing. But with remote viewing I just get out of the way, put my intention and it comes to me. It feels like remote viewing is more of a receptive thing and seeing might be more active. Does that make sense?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. And I don’t want to limit mindsight, but it feels like remote viewing can go into any time. It can go in the past and the future. And mindsight is usually recognized as something we’re doing in real time. But I don’t want to limit it because who knows, maybe mindsight can do that too. I just haven’t tried.
Alan Steinfeld
I think it’s a different skill. It’s like doing a workshop with a medium and she sees people who are on the other side. That’s different than remote viewing. Someone asked is remote viewing like out of body? I say, no it’s not because you’re in your body. What I think is happening, Suzanne and Dalia, is that we’re developing a subtle language of these higher realm activities, these gifts that we all have. We’re developing a way of looking at it, like math is different than reading. There’s all these divisions of gifts like clair-sentience or clairvoyant or clair-audio, those are different qualities of the psychic mind. So thanks in a way to the telepathy tapes we’re now using consciousness to clarify these higher levels of human facility that you are such a great example of Dalia. I’m excited that you’re out there doing this and that people are remote viewing, they are mindsighting, they are being a medium. It’s a whole new human species. It is probably the most exciting thing happening on this planet, Suzanne.
Suzanne Ross
I think so too. And what’s so exciting is that Dalia will be teaching a mindsight workshop during the Sedona Ascension Retreat. It’s actually going to be three hours. There’s two 90-minute workshops back-to-back, and she’s going to be supported by Dr. Diane Hennacy, who is a guest on Telepathy Tapes and studies telepathy.
Alan Steinfeld
She’s the one who said these autistic kids are telepathic. It was her discovery 20 years ago that has now, she said to me, ‘Oh, it took me 20 years to be an overnight sensation.’ She is a sensation, she’s so brilliant.
Suzanne Ross
And so she’s gonna be there.
Alan Steinfeld
Is her workshop gonna be on the main stage, Suzanne, or where is it?
Suzanne Ross
Dr. Diane Hennacy and Hakim Isler are going to support Dalia during her 3-hour workshop. But also, on stage during the event, we’re gonna have a mini Psi Games demonstration. It’s only a half hour, but Hakim and Diane and Dalia and Leedoo are just gonna demonstrate Leedoo’s telepathic abilities and Dalia’s mindsight capacity.
Alan Steinfeld
But is her workshop gonna be on the main stage or in the back?
Suzanne Ross
Oh, I see what your question is. It’ll be in a classroom.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, cause that’s going to be packed, that classroom. Everyone I know is going to want to do it.
Suzanne Ross
We’ll move things around. If we need more room and we don’t have enough, we’ll make it work.
Alan Steinfeld
So what do you, you just want to teach more, Dalia? What’s your vision for the future?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, just helping people get past their limited ideas about who they are. And seeing their own human potential. I mainly am going to focus on mindsight and helping the blind. But I also do help people do other really cool things. I’m also going to focus on the telepathy. My daughter Leedoo has been teaching me and a business partner of mine, she’s been teaching us both in our dreams how to teach telepathy. I’ve been using it on some students just kind of practicing with them and it’s working. I said, ‘Wow, Leedoo actually is training us every night in our dreams because it’s the most efficient way for her to train us.’ So yes, I’m also going to be training my telepathy as well.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, talk about that part of training you in your dreams. How does she come to you? How does that work?
Dalia Burgoin
So Leedoo is really good at going into people’s dreams and talking to them. Sometimes she’ll go in the in-between state when you’re waking up and you can actually hear her voice and it will be like she’s standing right next to you. She does this all the time with me and my friends. But what I notice Leedoo does is she waits until I’m asleep and then she’ll stand at the door and then she’ll go into my dream. There are times I know she does this because there’s times when I’m not asleep yet and she opens the door and I’ll say, ‘Leedoo, I’m still awake.’ And then she goes, ‘Oh, sorry.’ And then she’ll leave for a second and come back when she knows I’m asleep. She used to be really close and I would wake up and she’s right there. I was like, ‘Leedoo, you can’t be doing this so close to me.’ And she’s like, ‘Oh sorry.’ So now she stands at the door and does it.
Alan Steinfeld
Can we teach that, how to go into other people’s dreams? Of course, with permission. But is that possible?
Dalia Burgoin
I’ve actually played with that with my friends, and we’ve been able to do it. We haven’t done a strict ‘this definitely works’ thing yet, but we’ve played with it and we’ve been able to go into each other’s dreams. A friend of mine, I said, ‘Let’s you and me go into each other’s dreams tonight. Let’s go into this patio that’s outside of this building we were in. Let’s meet there in our dreams, and let’s have a totem pole so we remember we’re in the dream.’ That night, it totally happened. The next day, we were discussing, ‘Whoa, we were both in that dream.’ So I said, ‘Let’s invite someone else.’ We invited another friend. The same thing happened. The next day that third person comes up and says, ‘Oh my gosh, I had a dream about you guys.’ Then I said, ‘Let’s try it one more time. But this time we’re going to invite someone without telling them, someone that we knew would have been okay with it.’ So we invited a fourth person, and the next day the fourth person said they had a dream about us too. It’s just incredible what we’re capable of when we put our mind to it.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re putting your intention on having that person there, it’s intention right?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
Because this is so interesting, that’s exactly what the ETs do. They enter our dreams and they give us thoughts and they download images. What you’re showing is the capacity of what these ETs are trying to show us as well. Have you met those ETs in those altered states?
Dalia Burgoin
I haven’t. Like my daughter, she’s more familiar with them and she talks to them, but I don’t even talk to her about it because there’s just so much going on. I haven’t had the experience myself, but I know that stuff is real just because she’s told me.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh she has ET experiences, your daughter.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, yes, she’s able to talk to them easily.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s so amazing. I think these telepathy kids are opening up this whole area of human potential. We are on a new frontier, Suzanne. Next let’s do a panel with just this way out stuff.
Suzanne Ross
Yes, and lucid dreaming though, doesn’t it? I went through a period of really practicing the lucid dreaming. And I did have ETs come into my dreams, Alan. I had some really interesting experiences with me and my sister and these gray aliens. When I woke up, it was all so real. I’ve got messages during the dream state cause I felt like all this time that you’re sleeping, you could be practicing spirituality or refining your gifts and abilities. And certainly lucid dreaming is a way to do that. It feels like that’s connected to what you’re talking about cause you’re in your subtle body. You’re in your subtle mind, much more so than when you’re in this waking dream, right?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I think with the dreams it’s easier for us to believe it and to do these amazing things in the dreams. But it’s hard for us to remember it. But stuff that we can do in dreams, we could do it in the awake state too. In our seminars, I’ve been putting on this one seminar called ‘Senses’ with my business partner and we focus on not just mindsight and telepathy. We also go into stuff that people think is not possible, unbelievable. One of the things we did super easily is we started them off with something kind of believable. Like, ‘Let’s stick a piece of paper to the wall with intention alone.’ Everybody was able to do that. Then I said, ‘Okay, now let’s stick some pennies to the wall.’ Super easy, everybody was able to stick the pennies to the wall and they would sit there for days. Another fun thing we did, we actually were able to apport pennies. Apporting is when an object materializes and you don’t know where it came from. But with this case, it was more like teleporting because we did know where it came from. We had a jar full of 100 pennies on a desk across the room, 30 feet away. Three times in a row, we had everyone with intention get up out of their body. They imagined exactly what it would feel like to go and pick up the penny from a jar, put it in their pocket and sit down. Three times in a row, at least one or two people had a penny in their pocket. One of them was a coin dealer. He got it on his first try. He said, ‘I am a coin dealer. I have been taught my entire life to never put coins in my pocket. This is insane.’ We did that three times in a row, and it was so exciting.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait. So you focused on the jar of pennies, and people didn’t have a coin in their pocket before they focused, and then they ended up having a coin in their pocket?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. We actually had everyone show their pocket to their neighbor. The first thing we did do though, is we had everyone get up and feel what it was like to stand up and walk over and grab a penny and then put it back down. So they did that a couple times so they had the feeling of what it was like. And then we had them show their pocket to their neighbor, that there’s nothing there. Then we had them actually do it by doing it spiritually. We were able to do it three times in a row. There was synchronicity. The next day, I went to this event and I met this man who’s had over 200 instances of apporting, scientifically documented. They had cameras in his house, and you actually see the coins apporting on the camera. It’s just showing we are so capable of the most incredible things while we’re awake. It’s just our mind that limits us.
Alan Steinfeld
You are definitely transforming reality with your work, Dalia. More is definitely possible. But I just wanted to ask you about the dreaming. When Leedoo is entering your dream, she’s not asleep though, right? She is just intending. Is that it?
Dalia Burgoin
Usually I think she’s awake. Usually she’s just standing at the door or she’s pacing. She does that a lot where she’ll go into a dark area when everyone is going to sleep and she’ll pace back and forth and she’s usually either going to the hill or she’s going to dreams.
Alan Steinfeld
Isn’t that interesting? We have to be asleep and intended, but these autistic kids, they’re so vast in their consciousness that they can be on so many levels at once. So she doesn’t have to be asleep to enter your dreams. How does she do that? Can you ask her how you actually do it from a waking state?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I can ask her because my six-year-old has a similar ability. My four-year-old was asleep on the couch, and my six-year-old was watching TV and I was on the computer. My six-year-old stands up and she goes, ‘Mom, she is dreaming right now that she wet her pants.’ I said, ‘What? How do you know that?’ She’s like, ‘Oh, because she’s dream talking.’ I said, ‘Dream talking?’ She started to look a little nervous, but I said, ‘Oh no, that’s so cool.’ Then she got confident again. She goes, ‘Yes, it’s dream talking.’ She says, ‘I tried to dream talk with you the other night, but you didn’t hear me. I told you I loved you, you didn’t hear me, so I thought you didn’t love me and I was sad.’ I was like, ‘I didn’t know anything about this.’ As she’s talking to me, my four-year-old sits up and I said, ‘Hina, what did you have a dream about?’ And she goes, ‘I wet my pants.’ She actually didn’t in real life, it was just a dream. I’m blown away, and then Leedoo walks in. I asked Leedoo, ‘Do you know anything about this dream talking?’ And Leedoo’s like, ‘Of course.’
Alan Steinfeld
You have an incredible family. What is dream talking? How would you describe what that means?
Dalia Burgoin
Well, what my daughter described was, even though my six-year-old was awake, my four-year-old was able to talk to her in her dream. When my six-year-old was asleep, she tried to do it with me, but I didn’t hear her. And then she said she got sad because I didn’t respond.
Alan Steinfeld
So how can we try to do that? Can we just intend it? Like you intended the meeting with your friends?
Dalia Burgoin
I haven’t tried that one.
Alan Steinfeld
I think you’re right Suzanne, the human mind is just so vast and we’re just starting to realize what consciousness is. That’s why I say consciousness is not just an awareness, it’s an app. It’s an application we could use to do all these amazing things. This is a new human race. I don’t know, what do you think is coming after this, Dalia? What’s next?
Dalia Burgoin
I remember at the last event in San Diego, the Transcendence Retreat, Leedoo saying easy telepathy is coming. That’s what seems to be coming. Every time I talk to Leedoo, the message she has for me is, ‘Keep practicing your eavesdropping.’ Leedoo calls it eavesdropping. She says, ‘Keep practicing your eavesdropping, you’re going to be teaching it a lot.’ The team that are guiding us keep saying to practice the eavesdropping, everything else will get better.
Alan Steinfeld
Eavesdropping telepathy? Is that what she’s saying?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, to her that is, I don’t even know how to describe it, cause it’s not just telepathy. It’s more than telepathy with Leedoo, but for me, it’s telepathy. That’s the word I use.
Suzanne Ross
I remember Dalia when we were all in Virginia, and I had a banner of my event that was coming up in a few months. Leedoo came up and was looking at the banner. You said, ‘Leedoo, what are you doing?’ And she goes, ‘I’m eavesdropping on your event.’ Which was going to be three months in the future. After a few minutes, she came back to affirm that it was going to be a high frequency event, well attended, with lots of love and community. Remember Dalia?
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, I remember. She can do that. She’ll go into a timeline where the event is taking place or into the future, and she’ll transport herself there, and she’ll see it, and then she’ll come back. Even when she’s gone, she’s kind of rocking. When she comes back, she’ll tell you what she saw. She did that to let us know that the event was going to be good and it was going to happen. That is something that she would call eavesdropping.
Alan Steinfeld
So the eavesdropping is more than telepathy.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes.
Suzanne Ross
Because telepathy feels kind of like mind reading where eavesdropping she’s seeing into the future or any timeline.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, any timeline.
Alan Steinfeld
I get a sense of it sort of, when I look at you, Dalia, I could not quite get what you’re thinking, but I could kind of feel in a sense what you’re thinking. I don’t know the specifics, but I get a sense, maybe just cause your eyes or facial expressions, but I sort of feel it. Is that like it, sort of in a way?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I always understood that to be telepathy until Leedoo came around and showed me the verbatim telepathy where she’s knowing exact thoughts and exact memories. That just increased my awareness of what’s possible, because I did not know we could do that. Now I’m actually working on training it. I’m still working on it to perfect the method. This is something Leedoo taught me in my dreams. When she first told me I was going to be teaching telepathy, I said, ‘I don’t feel like I can do telepathy, that’s not my strong suit.’ She goes, ‘Don’t worry, you’ll pick it up.’ She’s been slowly teaching me in my dreams. And now I have these processes that work.
Alan Steinfeld
I interviewed this guy Alex DeRamo, he’s an autistic telepath. I asked him to tune into me, and I felt him enter my mind. I felt like a little buzz every time he tuned into me. Is that what happens?
Dalia Burgoin
That’s one of the things. Yes, in fact last night Leedoo and I were practicing telepathy with me. She did that where she went into me. I call it approaching. I could feel her really strongly. When she’s practicing with me, she has to do it that way where she has to bring herself to me and then send the image to me because I’m still very subtle to it. Whereas with her, I don’t have to do anything. I could just think something and she’s got it. She’s mostly out of her body, aware of her surroundings. So it’s easier for her.
Alan Steinfeld
They are so incredible these kids. They’re just like a super race of human beings really. It reminds me, sometimes when I teach remote viewing, I’ll be looking at a target and I tell people in the class, ‘Look through my eyes at what I’m seeing.’ And I can actually feel that. It’s a really creepy feeling. I feel them in my body looking through what I’m looking through. We’re exploring the edge of the unknown. This is really New Realities, Suzanne.
Suzanne Ross
It is. I’m remembering there’s a show on TV called Psychic Kids. It’s really phenomenal because so many kids at a young age are quite psychic until they get conditioned out of it, by society, by their parents, by school. But this show, with the help of trained professionals, they’re trying to support these children rather than shutting down their gifts, to recognize them, respect them, and enhance them. So that’s a nice trend that’s happening.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. And that’s what I love about my kids in my house, they’re seeing these things that me and Leedoo are doing and it’s just normal to them. They’re doing it, it’s not even hard for them. When I asked them to do the pennies, Leedoo of course was able to put the stuff on the wall on the very first try. The rest of them, it took a few tries, but they got really good. I didn’t even teach them the blindfold stuff. The rest of them, they just put it on and I walked in and they’re playing cards with the blindfold on. They’re like, ‘We’re playing like you mommy.’ It’s pretty amazing to watch.
Alan Steinfeld
The telekinesis, I’ve seen it with tin foil on top of a pin, but how do you do that? Do you set an intention? What do you need to do to do telekinesis?
Dalia Burgoin
Again, it’s intention, but what I do, when I train anyone, I always start with what their rational mind can accept. In the beginning I say, ‘Just put the tin foil on a needle and have no glass over it. I want you to just move it.’ They might put their hands there. It’s easier to believe that the hands do something. In the beginning, ‘Go ahead and do whatever makes you think it works.’ They might think the wind is helping. I say, ‘That’s good. If you think the wind is helping, let it help you. Just keep on making it move faster.’ Eventually you get to a point where you know you’re controlling it so much it’s not the wind. Once you’re good at making it move really easy, then I say, ‘Go ahead and put the glass on it.’ If it’s still hard to move, just lift up the glass and move it around until you know that the wind is not doing anything, it’s just you. It’s always a progression like that.
Alan Steinfeld
So how are you doing it? Just with your mind you’re saying move? Is that what you’re doing?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I try not to tell anyone a certain way to do it because I don’t want to set a limitation on their framing of it. They’ll come up with their own way to make it work. If it doesn’t work within three seconds, I say try something else. What works for one person really well might not work for another.
Alan Steinfeld
What is your way?
Dalia Burgoin
Me specifically, I try to be in a really good feeling state, like coherence. I’ll just tell it to move. I usually think it’s a part of me, that me and it are the same thing and I’m moving myself. But I don’t tell that to people. I say, ‘Just make it move.’ Sometimes people will say, ‘Well what are the instructions?’ My business partner says, ‘The instruction is make it move.’ There are no instructions, just do it with your intention, and it works.
Alan Steinfeld
So I saw a video where this woman moved something across the table. How far are you along in the telekinesis?
Dalia Burgoin
The most I’ve done is moving a can on the table.
Alan Steinfeld
Really? With your mind.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, well I put my hand next to it because there’s always some kind of thing I tell myself in order to do something. I say that my hand is very electromagnetic, and the can is a magnet so it’s attracted to my hand. That’s how I always do it.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. So you could do that anytime you want, just move that can across the table?
Dalia Burgoin
I have to be in the right state of mind. For me I’m not at the level where I have to have an empty can. Before I got to the can, I was using just a plastic cup. I’m using something easier at first, and moving up to the can. Next would be doing it with a full can. A friend of mine can do it with a full can very easily.
Alan Steinfeld
I can’t wait to see you levitate, okay? Like I’m serious. Why not? We can do all this, there used to be these levitating saints that were documented.
Suzanne Ross
Yes. Didn’t they say that’s how some of the temples were actually built? There was a book written about this French scientist who went to observe these Mayans that were taking these giant stones and moving them distances by this practice of intention, and I think they might have been chanting. They levitate these big stones and then they fall into place perfectly. This is how they were moving giant stones to build a temple.
Dalia Burgoin
I very much believe it. Before I used to believe we were capable of a lot, but once my mindsight opened I knew it. It went into a knowing place. I’m like, oh we could just do anything, we just have to figure out how to get past our mindset.
Alan Steinfeld
This is a mystery school basically. So if you could move a can, couldn’t you think you could levitate? Our mind thinks we can’t levitate, but couldn’t you just put that intention at the bottom of your feet and feel yourself… I mean, that could be possible.
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, there’s no doubt in my mind. I’m so sure I could do that. I mean not right now, but I think with some training I could.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, maybe you don’t even need training. But that’s where we’re coming to because of the work you’re doing, and Leedoo, and Diane Powell, we’re coming to a place where what we thought was impossible is actually possible.
Suzanne Ross
Don’t you think just so much of it has to do with believing that you can? I know for me, when I just believed I could channel, it was like, well somebody else can do it, why couldn’t I? Before you know it, suddenly I was channeling. Telekinesis, because like in The Law of One it talks about infinite intelligence. Everything is consciousness. You can communicate with a penny on the table and tune into that penny and cause that penny to move across the table. If everything is intelligent, even a penny is intelligent. We can communicate with it.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, it just reminds me of my favorite subject again, UFOs, where the ETs themselves merge their consciousness with the ship supposedly and that’s how it moves. The craft is actually an extension of their mind. So what you’re discovering Dalia is the potential we have to meet these beings on the same level that they’re operating in. We are upgrading the human race to meet them. We have to understand how the mind works because they’re not going to come down to our level. I always knew we had the facility to do it, but you’re proving it’s true.
Suzanne Ross
And maybe we once did, Alan, too. If we think about Atlantis and Lemuria and like if there really were Mayans building temples by levitating stones that weigh tons, it’s interesting to think that maybe we as humans are just coming back around to that. Because we’re moving into a Golden Age, and this is what happens in a Golden Age.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, and what you were saying earlier, Suzanne, when you see somebody do it, there’s a part of you that says, ‘Oh it’s possible.’ Usually when I’m training, I try to demonstrate everything I’m gonna train. My business partner Alex will put them into a hypnotic state, he calls it the modeling state. Anything you see, you pick it up much faster. Your mindset’s not going to slow you down. A lot of people think for telekinesis you have to train for so many years, but he says, ‘No, you just have to see someone do it and then model it.’ A lot of it is just us realizing we could do something. I just saw this woman crack an egg, and then she just held the egg and she healed it basically and it went back to normal. I haven’t tried it yet. I just saw it this morning and I said, ‘Okay, I’m gonna have to do that now.’
Alan Steinfeld
I heard of a Swami in India that’s called Khandana Yoga. He would cut the head off a bird, but then he would come back and heal that bird and the bird would fly away.
Suzanne Ross
All of this has such implications for what our reality really is, Alan. Which is pure energy, right? And it’s all a mental construct. My brain wants to go in all these directions of what is this really telling us about the true nature of reality? As pure energy and who we are in it, and everything is consciousness is what it comes down to.
Alan Steinfeld
And we’re infinite too. What we thought was impossible is definitely, there’s no such thing as impossible. When I think of belief systems it feels like I’m locked in a cage. These beliefs that we’ve been programmed and conditioned to think are true, it’s what’s stopping us from doing all these amazing things. I think you should start a school and educate kids without belief systems, Dalia. How do we do that?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I think that’s what’s going to end up happening because Leedoo and I are both very passionate about this and keep running into more people who are passionate about it. I definitely see that happening in the future.
Alan Steinfeld
I think teleportation of our bodies is possible. I mean look at some of the great masters. Even if you ever read the book of Carlos Castaneda, his teacher would do these fantastic things.
Suzanne Ross
Ram Dass’s teacher, remember?
Alan Steinfeld
Oh yes, Neem Karoli Baba. Yes. He would sit under a tree and his nails would grow long, and meanwhile, he’s elsewhere, right? His body is sustained somehow. And then suddenly he comes back into his body and he tells his students he’s been somewhere else. And the people in that other place affirm he’s been here with us. It reminds me, I was hanging out with Uri Geller once, and he just lifted a fork off the table, ran his finger over it, and it completely just melted. Also in a workshop, he was holding a mustard seed in his hand, he said grow, and the seed started to sprout.
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, we’ve done that before. At least my business partner did it. He had his students take a bunch of seeds, and he told them to put the intention for them to sprout. There were some that he did not put the intention on, and the next day, the ones that had the intention all sprouted, and the other ones didn’t.
Alan Steinfeld
I think if we have a school where we can untrain, have no training of beliefs, but all practices, it would be a natural thing, like telepathy, dream talking. I think what happens, the left brain comes in and creates logic and says, ‘This is possible, this isn’t possible.’ If you don’t train that left brain, then there’s no collapse of the wave function and the world is magic. And the magic is real.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. I always say the left brain is trying to maintain your current reality to make you feel grounded in its reality. When I’m training people, it’s the left brain that’s going to come up with all these ideas of what’s actually happening. With the telekinesis, they’ll say, ‘It’s the heat from my hands.’ I’m like, ‘Well you have a glass jar, and your hands are far apart.’ Or they’ll say, ‘It must be the electricity in the house somehow moving it.’ They’re coming up with all kinds of stuff, because it’s just so much harder to think, ‘Hey, I’m actually doing this.’
Alan Steinfeld
I think the left brain is here just to keep us safe. The right brain is the magical brain, the left brain just wants to make sure everything’s okay. But the left brain ended up controlling our reality when it was just a servant of the reality. Getting back to this other way of thinking and knowing, we can do the magic.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. So usually with the mindsight I will trick people into having an experience because the part of the brain that is in this reality won’t allow them to do it without having the experience first. I tell them to put on a blindfold. I let them think they’re just looking here the whole time. Then I’ll go behind them for about 10 feet, and I’ll say, ‘Take off the blindfold.’ They’ll look and say, ‘Where are you? The whole time I thought you were here.’ As soon as they see that, and they have the experience, then that left brain is like, ‘Okay, this is a different thing than I thought.’ And it allows a different reality to come in.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, it goes from explaining it in your limited way before, to you having so much evidence that the only explanation is extraocular vision or mindsight. There is no explanation though. There’s no logical explanation even to mindsight. Or like when I’m doing remote viewing and someone gets the exact target, and I ask, ‘How did you do it?’ and my favorite answer is, ‘I don’t know.’ It just comes to them. There’s no logical explanation.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes. This training that I do is all a belief-based training. Most people, when they go into a training, they expect it to be a tangible thing, like A plus B equals C. When in reality, it’s just, you just need to know that C is C and you can do it. People aren’t used to belief-based trainings, so they struggle at first. I package it as if it’s like a A plus B equals C training for adults. They think there’s a process they can grab onto, and they can believe in that, cause it’s so much harder to just believe you could just spontaneously do it.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Exactly. Like I was doing a practice where you look at a deck of cards face down. And if you stare at it long enough by candlelight, you start to see the card floating up. And I was able to see if it was a picture card or a number card. That’s as far as I got because I didn’t feel like staring at a deck of cards for two hours.
Dalia Burgoin
That’s similar to mindsight. Because anything that you want to see with mindsight, you just activate it with a light. So the light is the secret in mindsight. Before I could never see through this thing, it was impossible. I wore it for six months, couldn’t see anything. But finally… what made the difference was going into the sun. I went into the sun and all of a sudden I was seeing colors. I said, ‘Oh my gosh, that was what I was missing, is light.’ Bright light directly into the mask. Then I realized wherever I put the light is where I will see. So you put an actual light. You’ll see in the training, I actually use flashlights if we’re indoors. Really, really bright ones. With the cards, to make it a little easier for the brain, you pick up the card and put the flashlight on the other side of it. At first you don’t see it, but the more you strain, you start to see through it, and then you can slowly start taking the light away and you can still see.
Alan Steinfeld
Because you think you’re seeing through the card, the light is showing, but it’s really not showing it. But your mind is tricked into thinking it’s showing.
Dalia Burgoin
Right. It’s the same thing when you’re training someone with just eyes closed and no mask. I’ll show them from across the room, ‘You cannot see this color. Impossible.’ Then I’ll get up close and I’ll say, ‘I’m gonna shine a flashlight on it.’ And they say, ‘Yes, I can see the color.’ Without them knowing it, I’m having someone move the color back and removing the flashlight. They can see because they don’t know that I’ve moved it back. Then I say open your eyes and they’re like, ‘I thought you were right here.’ After that they can do it because they’ve had the experience.
Alan Steinfeld
But you can’t see the flashlight through the mask right, the light of the flashlight. Can you?
Dalia Burgoin
No, you have to activate it with the light. In the beginning, you see nothing but darkness. We’ve actually done a lot of scientific testing, and there’s one where you put photo sensors in the mask and it shows that there’s no light getting into that mask even though it feels like there is. Another one is we did some brain map testing. They found that when you’re reading with your regular eyes, you’re in a gamma beta state, but when you have the mask on, you’re in the alpha theta state. So it’s totally different brain wave state when your mask is on.
Alan Steinfeld
That is fascinating. Could you read a book with your mask on if you wanted to read?
Dalia Burgoin
Oh yes.
Alan Steinfeld
Amazing. But that’s a different state. I wonder what the, maybe that’s the higher functioning mind state or something.
Dalia Burgoin
Yes I don’t know. I have a few more scientists that have results for me that I need to go listen to them. They’ve tested me and some of the blind students, and he says the results are so fascinating he wants to do it on a webinar. It’s really exciting all of these scientific things that are validating what’s happening.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. Well I’m so happy you’re coming to Sedona right Suzanne. This is…
Suzanne Ross
Absolutely. It feels like we’re tuning into another aspect of ourselves who is more omniscient. In doing so we’re able to see things around us. Like when people briefly pass on and come back, like in near death experiences, it’s as if they’re able to see so much of reality. It’s almost as if we enter this state where we can see through the eyes of our higher self. Does that make sense, Alan? Like tuning into our soul’s essence?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, absolutely it makes sense. Even when I work with mediums, they are tuning into that too, they’re tuning into the essence of that person. Have you worked with mediumship at all, Dalia?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, a couple of times.
Alan Steinfeld
So it is similar to all this, right? It’s just another aspect of…
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, Leedoo even says when you open one thing, it doesn’t matter what you start with, it starts opening up all these other channels that are related. She was saying, in order to learn telepathy, you can start with telekinesis or mindsight, and it’ll start to open up the channels for telepathy.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, how did you do in remote viewing? You did some remote viewing with me right? Was that good?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I haven’t practiced remote viewing enough but every single time I have done it, I saw everything perfectly. The only thing is when I see it, it looks like it’s alive or it looks like I’m actually there and I feel the air and I feel the wind and I hear the sounds. But then when I look at the image, there’s no life in the image.
Alan Steinfeld
Good remote viewers are there. They are at the location, they’re actually at the target site. So you’re doing really advanced remote viewing work because that’s the objective, is to be at that place and look around. I’m glad you told me that.
Suzanne Ross
Doesn’t it feel like out of body, Alan? Cause you were saying no it’s not out of body, it’s remote viewing, but what if it’s all out of body? Bashar always says your soul’s not in your body. Your body doesn’t have a soul, your soul has a body. You’re just expanding your soul’s awareness. You’re not limited to this body. You’re not limited to these senses. You’re kind of going out of body to see beyond the body. Right?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, something is happening to human beings that we’re discovering here, at this moment in history, that is going to just, all the old 3D news is in the way of these really exciting potentials that we’re tapping into. So that’s why I really like talking to you Dalia because you are just at the cutting edge, you and Leedoo and Diane Powell. They’re all going to be in Sedona, March 20th to the 22nd with Diane Powell and Hakim Isler and Chris Bledsoe. What do you think of what he does when he calls in the UFOs?
Dalia Burgoin
Oh, he’s amazing. There was a night at the Psi Games that it was overcast and we were gonna go do a sky watch. Leedoo didn’t want to go. So I went and we didn’t see anything. The next day Ryan Bledsoe messaged me and said, ‘Hey, what does Leedoo think about tonight?’ I asked Leedoo and she goes, ‘Yes, yes, we have to go.’ So we went and that night we saw the most incredible orbs. And Leedoo was saying stuff about the orbs.
Alan Steinfeld
What was Leedoo saying about the orbs, are they actually ET, where are they from, these orbs?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, she said, ‘These specific ones are coming from Mars.’ I remember thinking, ‘That sounds silly, Leedoo.’ But Dr. Diane later on said, ‘No, what she said makes a lot of sense.’ She said there was a lot of information about Mars that we’re gonna start learning about. So she knew some information about Mars and she said what Leedoo said made a lot of sense.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, why not? That is so amazing. Chris and you being there, and Diane, and Bashar, Suzanne, this is really I think the best one you’ve done so far. Really.
Suzanne Ross
Oh, thank you, Alan. We just keep trying to improve every year, enhancing it, so more and more people can come and enjoy it and just make it all it can be.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you get anything from being in Sedona, Dalia? Do you get energy from the land? Do you feel it or have you not been there?
Dalia Burgoin
I haven’t been there yet. I’m so excited to be there for the first time.
Alan Steinfeld
Well let’s tune in psychically because the vortexes will talk to you too. Thank you for educating us today on this program. Are you doing anything before that? Are you doing any trainings anywhere?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I actually will be doing a training in Sedona. In February. The first week, 1st to the 7th. It’ll be mindsight, telekinesis, telepathy.
Alan Steinfeld
I’ll come out there for it. Who are you doing it with?
Dalia Burgoin
That’s going to be with Alex Stefan and he does the telekinesis portion and the hypnosis portion. It’ll be my first time in Sedona and then I’ll get to go back to Sedona the next month.
Alan Steinfeld
Maybe I’ll come out there for that training. Because I want to bring you to New York too and we’ll do something here. Do you have a website where people can find your events?
Dalia Burgoin
Yes, I have to update mine, but one of them is extra-ordinaries.com, so that’s where we do the actual seminars. And then the other one is daliaburgoins.com.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’m going to reach out to you anyway about some people I want to connect you with. Suzanne, this has been fun, right?
Suzanne Ross
Really fun. Yes, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it, and all so much that has been revealed and so much to explore.
Alan Steinfeld
I learned a lot from this conversation. Every student I work with, I learn something new every single time and it just blows my mind. This is great. Well thank you Dalia, say hello to Leedoo, and Suzanne anything you want to say to people?
Suzanne Ross
Just come to Sedona. It’s just gonna be such a great event. And not just Dalia and Leedoo and Diane and Hakim doing such amazing things, but the variety of speakers and presenters that we have, from astrologers to ascension experts to UAP researchers and musicians, it’s gonna be wonderful and I’m really looking forward to it.
Alan Steinfeld
Great, great. Thank you. Thanks Suzanne, thanks Dalia. I’m going to reach out, and we have more coming. Lots of love. Bye, thank you.
Dalia Burgoin
Bye.
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