New Realities recorded on July 23, 2013
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews George Filer, a former Air Force intelligence officer and current director of the National UFO Center. Filer recounts his childhood encounters with extraterrestrials and a significant UFO sighting during his military service over the North Sea. The discussion delves into government secrecy, the implications of extraterrestrial technology, particularly regarding energy, and the potential impact of disclosure on human civilization. They also touch upon topics like abductions, ancient alien theories, and the role of the media in shaping public perception.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. I’m Alan Steinfeld. And this program is about the evolution of our planetary civilization. I would call it that we are in the midst of a huge change in consciousness, who we think we are, who we have been, and who we thought we would become is all shifting to a new reality. And that’s why I call my program New Realities because we’re taking on a new way of looking at reality. And nothing is more central to that understanding than the not just possibility and not just probability, but the actuality that we are being visited by beings from other planets, other civilizations, other realities. I’ll be talking tonight to George Filer. He runs the National UFO Center, nationalufocenter.com. You can report UFO sightings, and he has a long, long history of understanding the topic. And he’s going to be part of a big conference that’s coming up August 9th to the 11th in Joshua Tree, California called Contact in the Desert. It’s going to be a very, very exciting conference with really the best researchers in the field. You can go to my website newrealities.com or you can go to the Joshua Tree Retreat Center and really find out how to go to that conference. So George, welcome to the program.
George Filer
Well, thank you for having me.
Alan Steinfeld
You probably have one of the longest histories of interest in this whole subject. Do you want to give us a little background? You were in the Air Force. Well, even before that, I guess growing up you had some some interactions with some kind of craft. Can you give us a little background?
George Filer
Well, when I was about 5 years old, I lived in an apartment building, and the apartment building was right across the street from a park in Maywood, Illinois. And UFOs, flying discs so to speak, used to land in the park. Well, as a 5 year old, I thought they might be military, but in any case I would go over and look at them and they invited me in and I saw the inside of a UFO. And I saw the fellow that invited me in wore a black leather uniform, kind of like a motorcycle outfit or early aviation type.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
George Filer
And I saw him the first day, but after that I always saw a very beautiful blonde lady, who was about I would guess 20 years old. And she essentially warned me about the environment and nuclear weapons and basically said that they were coming. When I got in the Air Force and started flying, sure enough, we started seeing the UFOs and we were asked to intercept them on occasion.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait. So you, from five years old, was this a recurring visitation with these crafts landing across the street from you?
George Filer
Yeah, about ten times they landed and gave us less than not only myself, but other kids, kind of a lesson for the future, and they were very nice. And it sounds funny, but I’ve run into quite a few people who have had similar stories in different places, you know, Ohio and Philadelphia and so on. And that apparently going way back 50 years or so, they they tried to explain particularly to kids, to young children, that they were coming and it was going to be a much better world when they came here. And my indication is that at least some of them are here now. If you go to Walmart, you’ll see a lot of unusual people, and some of them may be aliens from another planet.
Alan Steinfeld
In Walmart? Why Walmart?
George Filer
Well, I just use that as an example.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, I see. Anywhere you’re saying. But did you talk about this amongst your friends, your childhood friends, like, hey, or was it kind of kept secret from adults?
George Filer
Well, I told my mother and father, and my mother had seen the UFOs land and she didn’t know exactly what to make of them, but she did see them and realized that they were there. And when I told her about them, she didn’t seem too upset. And I was in kindergarten, and I don’t know if you remember, but at least in our kindergarten they had like show-and-tell every day. And the kids would stand up, you know, with their teddy bear and tell about the show and tell or whatever. And I would stand up and I would tell all the kids about the what I thought were probably aliens landing there in their silver saucer-shaped craft.
Alan Steinfeld
And did they believe you, these kids?
George Filer
I don’t know if they believed me or not, but when other kids would get up to talk, they would say, we don’t want to hear about the teddy bear. We want to hear about the UFOs and the aliens. And I was at least when I was young, very popular in school because I had all these stories which I can remember telling the stories almost more than I can remember the UFOs.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But you grow up and then you join the Air Force, maybe because of your association with the UFOs. Then you go into the Air Force?
George Filer
Yes. And I was a flyer and an intelligence officer in the Air Force. And when we were flying tankers over England, London Control asked us to intercept a UFO which was over the Stonehenge, Oxford area, center of England. And we were up on the North Sea doing refueling at night, and they said, would you intercept the UFO? And some fighters chased it away, and we had heard that some fighters had chased the UFOs and didn’t come back. And that they were going to use tankers because they had, well, we had like 15 hours of fuel on board, could fly for a long times and long distance, where the fighters could only fly for an hour or so. And we could fly almost as fast. And we had six engines instead of one or two, so we were fairly safe. In any case, London Control gave us headings towards the center of England, and we started down from about 35,000 feet to 1,000 feet. The UFO was very low. And I don’t know if you know much about radar, but we had various checkpoints that we use on a regular basis, which were often large bridges because they show up very well on radar. And one of our favorite checkpoints was the Firth of Forth Bridge in Scotland. And that bridge is about a mile long, and it’s a big steel bridge, very similar to the Brooklyn Bridge. In any case, you get so you know what your bridge looks like, it’s just like watching your TV. You’re familiar with a particular checkpoint. Well, in any case, when we got the radar going straight ahead towards the UFO, we picked up what amounted to was almost the exact radar return as the Firth of Forth Bridge, which would indicate that it was a very large object, probably made of metal, steel or something. And it was giving this very large return, and as we kept getting closer to it, we could see it out in the distance, a bunch of lights, kind of like an aircraft carrier or a cruise ship at night. And we got a couple miles from it, it just went up into space, and kind of like the launch of the space shuttle. You’ve probably seen pictures of that at night. It looked a lot like that.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. It just went up very fast or slowly, did that?
George Filer
Very, very fast. We were doing about over 400 miles an hour and it was probably a hundred times faster than that we were going. It was a huge object.
Alan Steinfeld
Besides, we don’t know exactly how big it was, but it certainly looked very big.
George Filer
So then you, were you then debriefed on that by the government saying you shouldn’t talk about this, like many pilots, air force people, were told?
Alan Steinfeld
No, we just wrote it up. I wrote it up in the navigator’s log and said we had seen it and chased it and so on. And frankly, the Air Force people didn’t seem very interested in it. They didn’t, matter of fact anything, they kind of ridiculed us, that, you know, did you really see anything type thing. Interesting. And well, the interesting part of the story is that a couple weeks later we had a dining in at our RAF Sculthorpe air base.
George Filer
You had a what? You said what did you do?
Alan Steinfeld
A dining in, a dinner.
George Filer
Oh, a dinner. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
And the speaker at the dinner was Prince Philip. And Prince Philip gave his speech and then he asked to have essentially dessert with the aircrew that had chased the UFO. And he knew all about it.
George Filer
Oh, wow. That’s
Alan Steinfeld
So we sat down with him and had a very nice time. He was very friendly. And I don’t know if you’re aware of it, but he was also a pilot and had flown many aircraft. And it was kind of like the guys getting together and talking about the sighting. And I told him pretty much what I just told you, and then I asked him why he was interested. And he said that he was raised by Lord or Earl Mountbatten, who had been the, well, the highest-ranking admiral in the in the Navy, in England. And that he had had sightings close up, both at sea and actually at his own home. So he was a, you might say, a believer in UFOs. Consequently, he told Prince Philip, who became, you know, very interested in the subject, and his aide or him would go and visit and talk to just about all the aircrews that had sighted UFOs.
George Filer
That’s interesting. So then throughout your Air Force career, how long were you in the Air Force for?
Alan Steinfeld
20 years.
George Filer
And how many times did you see a UFO in that time?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, we just had a couple actual sightings. Usually the other ones we saw would be the smaller disc-shaped craft, small ones.
George Filer
So do you think the British Does the British government, according to that story about Prince Charles, have a whole file of a secret file on UFOs like they probably do in this country?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’m assuming they did. I know that he personally was interested. And Air Marshal Horsley, who was his aide, were very interested. And that they interviewed many aircrews, pilots and you know, navigators and so on, that had seen the UFOs and actually tried to chase them away usually.
George Filer
But what do you think about the fact that this country has captured UFOs, crashed UFOs and have taken them into study and reverse-engineered them?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think it’s rather likely. I had conversations with astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and you know, many people in the Air Force who claim that they have you know, also received information that we do have crashed UFOs. Edgar Mitchell grew up in Roswell, New Mexico, and being an astronaut many people came and talked to him and told him about seeing the, you know, the famous Roswell crash on a had seen it on a firsthand basis.
George Filer
Right. I talked to him about that. I’ve interviewed him, but he said he’s never seen a UFO, but he definitely believes that they’re out there. So then you went on to to intelligence for the Air Force. You saw a bunch of craft, and then in your intelligence work, did that include discussing UFOs as well?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I used to brief the generals regularly. I’ve briefed a whole bunch of four-star generals and admirals that I used to brief through the years. And oh, once every couple of months we would get a sighting report from an aircrew that seemed, you know, interesting, and I would brief it. One I can mention is a 1976 intercept by two F-4s over Tehran, Iran. And at the time it was, you know, like a secret briefing item, and I briefed the generals about it, and they were interested because the F-4s attempted to fire their missiles against the UFO over Iran and the and the missiles would not fire. Actually the fire control system shut down.
George Filer
Wow. That that’s pretty the Iranian Air Force, you you you found out this from the Iranian Air Force was or
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, at that time we were friendly, you know, with the Shah in 1976, and we would receive information from them. Although I think this came from the air attaché that got the report from the Iranians and sent it to us, and I briefed it to the generals. And our aircrews fairly regularly would see UFOs and report them, although radar normally had the job of diverting them away from the aircraft. And when pilots would call radar and say I see a UFO, they were instructed to tell the pilots that basically there was they had nothing on the radar even though they did.
George Filer
Because they didn’t want to get people upset. Why why would they do that?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. Other than you know, four-star generals or admirals, it’s kept very quiet. And you had to have a need to know. In other words, be appointed by the four-star general to have a need to know about UFOs. They’ve always attempted to keep it very quiet and keep it, you know, away from the public and away from the other people in the military and so on. I had a good friend that was a three-star general, and he swore he knew nothing about UFOs. Matter of fact, he would have me tell about them just like I’m telling you.
George Filer
But why why were you allowed this kind of inside information?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I was I had very high clearances and I briefed the generals every morning. So the the messages would come in and I would brief whatever I thought was important, you know, from CIA, DIA, NSA, all all this information would come in and my job was to keep the uh high-ranking officers uh informed of of what was happening. Now most of the time it wasn’t to do with UFOs, it had to do with um um you know, wars and threats from the Soviet Union and that kind of thing.
George Filer
But but occasionally there was something that came in about UFOs, you’re saying.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes.
George Filer
And when it did come in, you would report it to certain generals. Like supposedly Obama doesn’t know anything about UFOs, or so he says he didn’t know. But is that unlikely, would you think most presidents do know about the UFOs?
Alan Steinfeld
In my opinion, they know.
George Filer
So why do you Well
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I don’t know, I mean well, I talked to a congressman about that very thing, and I said, well, why doesn’t the, you know, the president come out and tell us. They said, well, he they’re afraid to lose their influence. And in order to do that, they would have to have the the presidents or leaders of several other countries sit down, you know, together and explain to the public that this is this is happening. And also it’s been pretty obvious that they’ve kept it secret, particularly in the United States, through many presidents.
George Filer
But don’t you think that’s going to have to happen one day where the heads of countries, Britain, the US, you know, Germany, France, will have to come forward and say, guess what, we have company, or or something like that, you know. Um uh it’s gonna have to It doesn’t, it seem likely it’s gonna have to happen? Or can they keep doing this charade indefinitely? What’s your opinion?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think they’ll try to keep it as quiet as long as they can.
George Filer
Uh-huh. Because people like Richard Dolan, who’s going to be at this conference in Joshua Tree, said it’s inevitable that something will come out. Stephen Bassett from you, the Paradigm Research, who had this whole meeting, five days in front of former congressional members about the UFO situation is is pushing for disclosure. And um and yet you’re you’re you’ve been on the inside and now you’re coming out, I mean you’ve been out about this, but you’re saying they’re real, they exist, they’re here, you’ve seen them, generals know about it. How come they’re not shutting you up?
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, not saying they should, but well, I don’t know why they’re not shutting me up, but I I have talked to a lot of important people who want it to come out, who have even sent letters to Congress and so on. Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter is one, who was the first director of the CIA, who sent letters to Congress and said let’s let’s bring it out, let’s tell everybody. But uh even though it’s, you know, in the public record and you can look it up in Time magazine and so on, a New York Times I’m sorry, uh very important people at high rank have talked about it. President Reagan used to talk about it fairly often. And it’s like the news media doesn’t really listen and put it out to the public, but any intelligent person who sees the data will realize that we’re being visited. And it’s not only, you know, people from our country. I was at the Disclosure Project.
George Filer
Oh, you were. Oh, I was there. That was really exciting, wasn’t it, to actually
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, nice I was on the Pilot’s panel, and in any case, uh there were several of us from, you know, different countries for example, uh Peru and uh Chile and um Poland and around and so on that. In other words, it wasn’t only the United States people who were there and were testifying. Now there was a policeman from um England and a former member Nick Pope, you know, a former member of the um British Intelligence that was there and was testifying. I don’t know if people don’t realize but John Podesta was the um fellow in charge of Obama’s coming into power so to speak, was setting up the White House and everything. He spoke at the National Press Club in the past. And I’m sure that John Podesta talked a long time to President Obama and was trying to convince him to talk about it, you know, publicly, but he’s chosen not to.
George Filer
Well, they say the big thing, and this was in the movie Thrive, the real reason they don’t want to come out about it means that there will have to acknowledge that there’s an energy source that propels these ships and that will be the end of the oil monopoly, which is controlling our economy and and probably everything else. So um I I that’s the main reason I heard uh why this is not coming out. I mean, I don’t know what what do what do you think?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that’s probably one of the reasons. Um I think another major reason is the abductions. I’ve talked to a number of um people who claim to be abducted and uh in other words, once once you say oh yes, they’re here, then the next question is well what are they doing? And then um you know, ten thousand abductees raise their hand and say they’re abducting us. I mean, I had a abductee call me today and was very you know, upset about the whole situation.
George Filer
But what did is this a recent abduction, or was this something that happened a while back?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, she feels that she’s abducted um you know, on a regular basis. Uh you know, every month or so.
George Filer
Because I thought the abduction stopped. Uh uh that was my assumption because I think I’ve had experiences but they don’t seem to be happening anymore. So um I don’t know, I guess
Alan Steinfeld
I think they’ve diminished. We don’t certainly do not get as many you know, people calling us as as we used to, but we do get some calling.
George Filer
Do you think you were abducted, all those sightings that you had as a child, was that part of um an abduction experience, you think?
Alan Steinfeld
I don’t think so, but uh you know, it’s possible.
George Filer
So you may it may have been, but nothing you remember.
Alan Steinfeld
No, I don’t remember abductions. I remember you know, seeing them and visiting them and uh uh basically I’m only a 5 year old child, but I you know, more or less fell in love with this beautiful lady who was like like a school teacher, uh you know, she looked like Nicole Kidman or uh you know, any of the very beautiful blonde blue-eyed ladies today. As a matter of fact, I married a lady who who looks like that.
George Filer
Maybe she was an alien. No, I don’t know.
Alan Steinfeld
Could be, but uh
George Filer
I see. That’s interesting. But so you mentioned anybody who looked at the evidence would absolutely be convinced, and I believe that, but what do you which evidence do you think is the most convincing, if if if we were going to show somebody that they these things exist?
Alan Steinfeld
Well I one thing is I put out a weekly Filer’s Files that anybody can get free or um just write to me at majorstar@verizon.net. Majorstar like a major star in the sky at verizon.net. In any case, I started reading these files in 1997 and became the Eastern Director of um MUFON, and I felt that our field investigators need more intelligence information just like I had written in the Air Force through the years. And that the best way to keep them up to date was to tell them, you know, what was happening, how many sightings and so on. Well, through the years, almost every week we have about 25 pictures of UFOs. Sometimes it’s just, you know, lines in the sky or round balls, you know, that kind of thing, but it does show that there’s evidence there. And I think many people, you know, maybe not one week but week after week after week for years, they see 25 pictures each week, well that’s very convincing. In other words, they can see it with their own eyes. And then you get stories from various astronauts, from um you know, former heads of the CIA, statements um by President Reagan and various other presidents, you know, Carter and Truman and so on. The average person has no idea that people of this stature had made statements that UFOs exist, because it’s frankly generally not on the news media. Instead we get to watch uh a lot of let’s put it questionable type things.
George Filer
Well, you know, that’s the question I have. I mean yeah, people are just preoccupied with pure nonsense, but does it really I mean, I think it has profound effects, the realization that we are not alone. But I think most people, well first of all I think they’ve been dumbed down by television, so they don’t expect much out of the world. And and it doesn’t seem like it would matter to a lot of people one way or the other, but it to me it matters for some reason, but but why do you think it doesn’t matter so much to um the normal average person?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, they’re busy with their life and what’s happening in their life, you know, putting food on the table and working hard and so on. It seems like most of the people who are interested are are very young, you know, teenagers or older people who are retired and have more time to study things.
George Filer
Right. It’s it’s strange though. So you think, I mean, if we had this technology that obviously seems like some sort of free energy, it would just liberate the society to to relax, to have more freedom. The, you know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what we’re here and this this would be a huge um uh advancement in in global civilization if we had access to the power, the source that runs these ships. I mean, it would change everything.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you’re probably true, but it would take uh years to First of all, the designs are very complicated and they um you know, they take certain kinds of new metals and so on to develop this energy. It wouldn’t be an overnight thing. But there’s indications from some aviation companies that we have some of that capability. I don’t know if you’re aware of Ben Rich who was the director of Lockheed Skunk Works, had given talks.
George Filer
I keep I keep I keep hearing about Skunk Works but I don’t know what the difference between Lockheed I’ve heard of, but Skunk Works, can you explain that?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that that’s like their advanced design group and they designed the um U2 and the SR-71 and other uh experimental aircraft. And Ben Rich claimed that uh in this is 1999 to other members of the UCLA where he went to school, engineers which included um Jan Harzan, a friend of mine who’s becoming the head of MUFON, uh that um we had the capability to take ET home, and that um we’re like 30 years ahead of where people think we are in our capabilities.
George Filer
So he what do you think would indic we we certainly had aircraft or craft that could go into space. Do you know this guy personally, this this guy who said this?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, Jan Harzan I know. I didn’t know Ben Rich.
George Filer
So if we have this technology and that Ben Rich claims, um is it being used you feel by a secret government or um not not.
Alan Steinfeld
Well I think it’s likely the government has some advanced aircraft that they fly around, that some of the UFOs being seen uh may belong to the government.
George Filer
Uh huh. Uh uh you think so some of the UFOs belong to the government. I get it. Okay. Um you know I’m also looking on your website, under the um curiosities um tab, you say General Goodpaster says President Eisenhower did not meet with aliens. But if you were at the um uh UFO congressional hearings, you can there was that um video that Richard Dolan showed with that ex CIA um agent talking to Eisenhower about the aliens at Area 51. So does that contradict what uh Goodpaster says?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I had a several hour discussion with General Goodpaster, and uh he was uh Eisenhower’s assistant, chief of staff, four-star general, you know, a very high ranking gentleman and a a close friend of General Eisenhower. He told me if General Eisenhower met with any aliens he would know about it, and he he assured me that he had not met with any aliens. Now I’ve also looked at the story that Eisenhower supposedly met with aliens and if you watch closely at the story, they claim they being several military personnel, that they saw President Eisenhower’s plane land and was at the end of the runway and that the UFOs landed near the um near the plane and there was some kind of a an exchange of personnel between the planes. Now, assuming Goodpaster is correct, Eisenhower wasn’t on the plane but some other, you know, high-ranking people may have been there and and talked to what could be aliens or it may even have been our our own aircraft, our own UFOs so to speak that were landed near the president’s plane. In other words, nobody was close enough to know for certain and no one has come forward to my knowledge and said, you know, I was there, I talked to the aliens etc. and I saw Eisenhower talk to him.
George Filer
Well, except for this guy that was at Richard Dolan’s interview, that old guy, the deathbed confession that was sure, I mean he what do you think of that? I mean, that’s all over YouTube now. What do you think of that guy? He didn’t say Eisenhower actually met them personally, but um he did relate to Eisenhower, Nixon, and Hoover at that meeting that the aliens definitely do exist and they’re at Area 51. So um um maybe it doesn’t contradict what Pass Goodpast Goodpastor’s saying, but um there there seems to be some sort of um um something Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I try to research all these things and talk to them, you know, the people that are most likely to know the answers and the answers don’t always come up the way I would like, but uh I feel it’s important to to try to keep the the story straight. I never met that gentleman who’s on the
George Filer
Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
And I saw some of what he was saying uh and he apparently if he remembers correctly uh was was an insider. But um I don’t I don’t know how much he knew or how much he remembered. I have gone and talked to some older people and uh have found that sometimes if you tell them things they they repeat it back to you.
George Filer
Well, that may be true, but he said he saw the alien and the craft at Area 51, I guess that was in the 1950s when Eisenhower was president.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Well I I mean uh there’s lots of people who have seen the craft. We get uh around 1500 reports a month for you know, years. And we get uh oh round numbers 10 people a month that claim to have seen the aliens. And uh you know, even if 1/10th are correct, there’s a lot of people who see aliens and a lot of people who see the craft.
George Filer
Well this was a craft in US government custody with the alien according to this whistleblower. Anyway. Right.
Alan Steinfeld
Well I’ve talked to people who um you know, claim to have seen captured craft and captured aliens that crashed or whatever.
George Filer
And what do you think? What what do you think about their story? You think it’s true?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, I mean I talked to General Axon and he told me essentially that story, that he had seen the uh craft, you know, and the bodies. I’ve talked to If you start searching, it’s not real hard to find people who claim to have done that. But not only that, you have to find out where they, you know, worked and what was their AFSC, in other words did they work in the right place that they could have seen them? Were they stationed at Area 51 or S4, which is actually where most of it is.
George Filer
What what’s S4 right near Area 51, or is that somewhere else?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, it’s like over the mountain so to speak, but it’s the same general area.
George Filer
So but you were never brought into an inside operation to see a captured craft or an alien?
Alan Steinfeld
No, I was not. I’ve only seen them, you know, when I was a child and in the Air Force chasing them. But I’ve talked to uh five or six people who, you know, face to face who claim that.
George Filer
So uh it’s all ad whether Eisenhower saw one personally or not I guess it doesn’t matter, but these generals, these military people and and you’re right, it’s all over the internet. It’s like anyone who does just a little bit of searching will see how obvious it is that something’s here and that the government is keeping Well, they’re sort of keeping quiet, but it’s all over the internet. It’s sort of a a little bit of a contradiction there, isn’t it? I mean
Alan Steinfeld
Well, a lot of, you know, there was 40 people at the disclosure conference and that’s that’s the second one I’ve been at, and there was 40 at one you know, with Steven Greer ten years ago. Oh pretty much all military and so on, so we’re talking in terms of hundreds of people coming forward in various walks of life, but mostly military and intelligence that have that have seen it. I mean, we could fill a courtroom with uh a hundred people, maybe 400 people.
George Filer
So yeah, so it’s strange. I mean, this is my theory that disclosure, if you want to call it that word, the D-word, disclosure, it actually is happening and then it’s it’s a slow integration with people coming from the fringes, people like you having this national ufocenter.com site, and many others reporting UFOs, and the government is not saying one thing or the other, but it’s a it’s a process, it’s a slow process of awakening and integration that that we’re a part of. That on this radio show, your your work, your this conference coming up in Joshua Tree, it’s a part of an awakening of a of a transformation. I mean, that’s my theory.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, your show, Alan, for example, is part of this procedure to get people to understand. You know, there’s there’s only I don’t know how many listeners you have, but there’s that group of listeners. I send out 20,000 emails a week and there’s that group of listeners. In other words, we’re slowly getting the information out. And you know, Sam Sherman, a friend of mine who’s a movie producer, knew people who were making, you know, like the movie ET and the Hangar 18 and different uh movies that shows aliens and so on, that those people were basically encouraged to make those movies essentially by the government. The government wants, I think, our indication is wants the word out, but they want deniability. In other words, they don’t wanna say yes, it’s all true.
George Filer
Right. It’s sort of like good cop, bad cop, you know? Like one guy is to give you
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. And and yeah, so what are you saying there?
George Filer
Well, I think that uh more and more information is coming out. You’d have to blind in some ways. For instance, better pictures all the time, you know, the uh you know, the average person carries a camera with them now, which is their phone, you know, the new um some of the new cameras have uh you know, like 13 pixels and in other words, they’re much better cameras and the pictures that are coming in are better. And consequently, the news media will likely start showing more.
Alan Steinfeld
And there’s a you know this Helen Thomas who just died, the news media’s made a big deal about her.
George Filer
Oh yeah, she was the old one of the longest White House correspondents. She just died in now that but she was there for like what 10 presidents or something like that.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. 10 presidents. Well, people don’t know this, but she was a big UFO advocate and she had talked to, I met her several times and she was doing all that she could, you know, you might say behind the scenes talking to other uh reporters and trying to convince them that it was real and the editors and stuff and she said that one of her problems is she’d write a story about UFOs and they wouldn’t publish it. It wouldn’t wouldn’t come out.
George Filer
How come she never asked a question at a press conference of of a president like Bush, like the Bush
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I guess she was afraid to. I I afraid to or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I I don’t know why she didn’t, she didn’t tell me that. She just said she was working to bring the information out and she was doing what she could. And there’s a lot of people like that. I’ve had people from uh New York Times here and you know Japanese uh and South American film producers uh And strangely enough, in many other countries, it’s it’s very well known. Much more so than in the United States.
George Filer
You know what I think we might need, and I’m sort of working on this and stuff I’m I’m putting together is a kind of um intellectual concept behind it. It’s like um we don’t have a a language or a framework. I mean, we’re building this, but there’s no place to put the ET phenomena within the culture that we are living in within the paradigm, the worldview, there’s no room for it. So it’s therefore ignored by most intelligent people, unfortunately.
Alan Steinfeld
We need a respected university to take on a study, you know.
George Filer
Yes. Yes. Like
Alan Steinfeld
Now I’m forming like a Filer Research Institute to do some of that, but uh well almost as you well know nobody in the UFO field seems to have any money, but uh
George Filer
Right. Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
You know, rich people build big libraries and institutions and so on and uh there’s just like you said, there’s tremendous amount of knowledge that the aliens have and that they provide to us in the medical field and and lots of different fields. People aboard the craft they go aboard the craft see healing with uh green and blue lights and uh they think we’re crazy in using um drugs all the time because 60% of the drugs that you take will kill you if you have problems with them. Do you know that more women are killed by drugs, painkiller drugs than are killed in automobile accidents?
George Filer
No, drugs and doctors and hospitals is the second largest killer of people in the US. It’s like 160,000 people.
Alan Steinfeld
And you know that just by simple green light, you can do a lot to heal your body and essentially a simple blue we have to have know the right frequencies and so on. But the point is that that information is available to us.
George Filer
Yeah, but how come the alien I mean, there’s the government of course, they are trying to keep it secret at least some of them. But the how come the aliens themselves, and this is the real question and we know why the government’s doing it, we have some idea, but why don’t the aliens just come forward and spread this technology to the common people? Or would that cause too much trauma, you think, for the population?
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, I don’t know how exactly how the aliens think. I I do know that they warn us all the time about um our environment that uh we’re destroying our own Earth. You know with uh nuclear radiation and so on. Uh why I don’t know exactly why they don’t come forward. Maybe it was the fact that when they came forward to uh me as a boy, that it didn’t work out that well.
George Filer
Well maybe it did work out. Maybe that’s why you’re doing what you’re doing, because you were you know, sort of um showed um this kind of information, and now you’re doing your work and spreading this truth.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think they’re here and that most at least intend to help us. Some some apparently are just like humans, you might say bad guys, but uh and have their own interest at heart.
George Filer
Yeah, I think some are yeah, that’s true, yes. Right. You don’t have to believe everything say, you know, but you can try to check it out. I try to, you know, use sources and everything. And uh free this one gentleman had built uh parachutes, had a parachute company, and a lot of other industries and stuff and was owner of the Air Victory Museum. Well any case, he thought I was crazy. Well I said, just read this for a while. Read my files a year later he was building his own UFOs. I’m just saying that people can be convinced once they start seeing the evidence. And the evidence is all around us.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you’re right. And that was what was so amazing at the citizen hearings, there were five former congressional people, they, yeah, they’ve heard of UFOs, but somewhere a second or third day they were convinced, and they said hey, let’s why doesn’t everyone know about this? And they I talked to several of them and uh they basically said that they had received very little information while they were in Congress about UFOs and that they were amazed by the information that, you know, the people there that were providing to them. And that they thought the answer was not to send it to Congress because uh they didn’t feel that Congress would do much frankly. Now here’s former congressional people and they’re not very pleased with Congress, but any case, they felt that the United Nations was the place to go. And that if any country in the United Nations could decide that, you know, they wanted to do research and so on on this and put it in front of the rest of the United Nations and that they felt that it would be voted on. And that people aren’t aware of it, but China in the past has tried to get research by, you know, all the countries to look into this phenomena.
George Filer
But it does seem like the United Nations is not very effective. I mean all these large bodies are not very effective.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, I guess I think the news media, even that Peter Jennings report ended up being negative about ten years ago. It sounded started off good. I mean, I think That’s true. Yeah, I think we need a solid news reporter, something to capture the minds and the imagination of the people.
George Filer
Well, it would help if they showed up, you know, and hovered over the World Series or something, they could uh
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, exactly, there’d be no denying. Um yeah, so I think we just have to keep doing what we’re doing, George, and um and hopefully uh it will make a difference just just like you said there are social changes. I mean, you know, there was the end of slavery, you know, a hundred or so years ago, and now, you know, there’s a black person president. I mean, that’s huge progress. That’s a huge transformation in a cultural paradigm that it’s even in the Constitution, you know, that it’s override you know, freeing the the what the Civil War was about, whatever you wanna call it, was about freeing slavery, getting rid of slavery. And and here we are a whole society in transformation where true equality could exist. So anyway, I’m saying if that can change, if the paradigms and prejudices of people and the ignorance that has enforced certain ways of behaving can change, I think we do have hope.
George Filer
But one of the problems is is that I’ve talked to this, you know, Air Force colonels who are physics uh had doctorates in physics and so on, is that the educational system and much of what we feel is true, you know, in biology and uh physics and so on, assuming that aliens are here and they exist and their biologic and so on is different, uh an awful lot of what we think is true will be wrong. And a lot of laws of physics and the like will be have to be changed and you know, and if aliens really exist it’s unlikely that we came from uh you know the whole Darwin concept. At least the aliens are saying that well they they brought us here. You know that that that it’s more the whole concept of, you know, a creation and God and so on is much more likely to be true than the, you know, coming from the well what would you call it, the the the primordial soup.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Uh I mean, I think a lot of concepts, I mean, if they if they do show themselves, I think uh actually the whole history of the world will will have to change. Obviously, I mean, everything, physics. I mean, of course will be obsolete as we know it. Um many social concepts, many um perceptual concepts. I mean, I think the biggest thing about aliens, and this is what I’m really focused on, is that their their view of reality is so different than ours that we can actually can’t even stay conscious in their presence to some degree because they’re so they’re so bizarrely different than us in their thinking.
George Filer
That one one of the things that came across to me, you know, I’m going back to when I was 5 years old, but they were very worried about all the species on earth. In other words, all the animals and you know, bears and lions and bees and all the different kinds of uh species on earth. And they pointed out that we are we, as humans were destroying dozens if not hundreds of species on earth. And that those species were just as important as we are. In other words, a lion is just as important as a human species. And that we have this uh exalted view of ourselves and and go about destroying other species which they felt was uh unfortunate. And that our planet was one of the greatest planets or nicest planets, you might say in this this part of the universe. And they use it to often to stop, you know, like like it’s an oasis to get water and the food and so on to go on from here and minerals and the like. And that we’re could be destroying it for the, you know, future use by other civilizations. Also, their sons and uh planets are in a sense wearing out, and they’re looking to our planet as some place to come and colonize in the future. They also said that when they ca- when that when they came, that there would be no crime, you know, and that they would people would live a lot longer and and things would be much better. Now whether that’s in fact true, I don’t know. But they implied that in some ways those who commit crime would be um well either done away with or their minds changed in some way. I don’t know how they could do all those things but perhaps with the
Alan Steinfeld
Wait. So you’re saying that people’s minds will be changed in this um
George Filer
Well, I’m just saying that they said there would be no more crime.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. Well, I think there if everywhere if there’s an abundant amount of energy and people have anything they want and and there’s abundant amount of food because then you know, we can cultivate the deserts because all we need is really energy to you know, plant seeds and do all these things, then then there doesn’t need to be crime if everyone is taken care of.
George Filer
Well, that could be.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean that’s my theory. But I mean we have a lot to look forward to and I think we are really at the cusp of a new time. And that’s why I’m excited about this big conference we’re gonna be at Contact in the Desert. Uh my guest here George Filer will be uh major keynote speaker there, along with um Steven Greer will be there, David Wilcock, um uh who else? George Noory, Graham Hancock, Jim Marrs, uh William Henry. It’s a really great crew. Travis Walton, who I interviewed a week ago. Um great guy, really a true abduction story where he had no idea what was happening and is still a little freaked out about that a situation that happened to him in 1975, nearly 40 years ago. It’s like it’s that kind of uh interaction I think that we are preparing ourselves for. Let’s just say that.
George Filer
I think it’s going to be a new wonderful world, if everything works out.
Alan Steinfeld
Well if we don’t mess it up before that.
George Filer
Yes, good planets are hard to find. Like you said. So
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So I I think this is an incredible planet. It it has everything you want right here. So thanks George. Any final words?
George Filer
Uh well, I’d like to invite people to get my files at, go to my website at nationalufocenter.com or if they want to get the weekly files there’s about 20 pages each week, so, but you don’t have to read it all, you just look at the pictures. It’s at majorstar like a major star in the sky at verizon.net.
Alan Steinfeld
majorstar@verizon.net. And you can actually go to their National uh UFO Center and report a UFO if you’ve seen anything unusual in the sky or you have a great picture of something, it’s all documented there. It’s it’s one of the valuable resources in in shifting the consciousness. Um and George again will be at Contact in the Desert that is and you go to contactinthedesert.com. And you can actually go there and win possibly a free ticket to be at that conference. You can also go to my website newrealities.com and right there under events you can also um see about winning a free ticket to that event. So it’s gonna be very exciting. Uh thank you for your time tonight. I appreciate it.
George Filer
You’re welcome. Now, I always like people to send me information and you’re welcome to as well.
Alan Steinfeld
I will, I will. I you know, just one thing I thought of as you were talking about the flat-top pyramids, the pyramid outside of Mexico City, Teotihuacan, has a flat top that may have been used for extraterrestrial craft.
George Filer
I think it’s uh quite likely.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, we there’s so much we don’t know about our own history, our own human history that um I think is very connected to alien visitation. I guess that’s why that um show Ancient Aliens is so popular. Because uh
George Filer
Well, I think we’re just learning what the ancient uh aliens may have done and been here and uh you know, all over the worlds are these um circular sites like Stonehenge and so on. But peop people don’t often realize that right next to Stonehenge is a huge area dug out, about 3 feet deep and it’s about a mile long and it’s the shape of a cylinder mothership. And it’s right there on the ground and it’s like well, some people call the cursuses or whatever, but they couldn’t figure out the shape because it’s so long and uh relatively narrow. It’s only like a hundred yards wide, but a mile long. But that that’s what we had on radar almost the same object. And we have some pictures of uh craft like that that have been taken.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh that’s interesting. That’s very interesting. Thank you for that. Yeah, I’m gonna look at that on Google Maps. That’ll show up, right?
George Filer
I think so. Yeah, also um uh I have I have information about it on my website as well.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. nationalufocenter.com. I’m gonna look that up. Thank you. That’s good to know because I’ve been to Stonehenge and um yeah
George Filer
Nice talking to you Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
Thanks George. Thanks for everything. I’ll see you in the desert.
George Filer
Okay.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. This is Alan thanks. This is Alan Steinfeld for New Realities. Um yes I think you know more and more information is coming out. It’s very matter of fact with people like uh George Filer, my guest, that this exists, this is real, this this there’s there’s no doubt about it. So um um I would say keep looking looking at the information, come to the conference, that’s happening, go to my website newrealities.com I have a whole UFO section. And if you have any questions, email me at the letter a@newrealities.com. Thanks for listening. Good night.