New Realities recorded on January 31, 2017
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews spiritual leader and author Chris Griscom about the nature of multidimensionality, the evolution of the soul, and human potential. They discuss how imagination connects us to the cosmos, the importance of moving beyond fear and survival instincts, and taking responsibility for the Earth’s environment. Chris introduces her Global Initiative, a project aimed at using collective human consciousness to heal the planet, emphasizing that humanity is at a precipice of choice and can manifest a positive future through unity and spiritual awareness.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. I’m Alan Steinfeld, and I’m very happy to be back here with an old friend. It’s been like 20 years since our last…
Chris Griscom
A flicker. It’s been a flicker.
Alan Steinfeld
It seems that way. Because we’re the same.
Chris Griscom
Of course. And we’re different, but we have that thread. So there is that connection that will always be there, whatever bodies we’re in.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s the duality of time, isn’t it?
Chris Griscom
Although I would not use the duality because I think humans are very addicted to duality. I would say it’s the pulse of time. In one of my first books, I talked about the curvature of time, and I feel that we’re beginning to recognize that now, that we are in the past and we are in the future as well as the present, and they merge together. So we recognize each other.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, Chris is one of the first people I met who understood and introduced me to the idea of a multi-dimensional existence. Because you’ve been a visionary that has lived on many of these planes. How can people listening understand this idea of multi-dimensionality?
Chris Griscom
When you’re children, you understand this, not in the way of the mind, but in the way of experience. As children, we can look at a flower and feel that we’re talking to it, or that an animal is looking at us and speaking to us in its consciousness. And we become very linear, and so we lose our sense of multi-dimensionality. But not the multi-dimensionality itself, because the magic of life, the synergy of meeting people at the right time, of things occurring, that’s all multi-dimensionality. It’s coming forth from the unmanifest.
Alan Steinfeld
But you know, I think psychology has done us a great disservice. Of course, it’s helped us understand ourselves, but then it places in our mind the idea that it’s all imagination, it’s all made up. And that has stopped our shamanic integration of the greater mind.
Chris Griscom
But look what people are doing today. They’re going beyond that. Movies are all about what we can imagine. And the interesting thing, Alan, is that science has yet to discover the source of imagination. We know parts of the brain that do this and that, but we cannot capture the essence of imagination. And in my work, I’ve recognized, in terms of multi-dimensionality, that whatever you imagine, your emotional body has a connection to it.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, we embrace the imagination. William Blake said imagination is the highest form of perception.
Chris Griscom
Of course. And that will forever be true.
Alan Steinfeld
And the Aborigines talk about dream time.
Chris Griscom
That’s right. It’s what we focus on. So when you imagine something and you focus on it, you’re actually pulling away the veil and opportuning yourself an experience of it. And it’s that experience, my higher self says, that the only truth is what we experience. And so with imagination and multi-dimensionality, we can expand our repertoire, and that helps us to create new, because this is a time, with all of our mechanisms, for us to truly expand the horizons of possibility.
Alan Steinfeld
I just brush your hair back too. There.
Chris Griscom
The Native American, you know, would say that we want to keep the hair because it holds our history.
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. I was so traumatized getting a haircut under one year old, and it just put me into, I never wanted to get a haircut again.
Chris Griscom
Because when you were growing that hair, we would say the hair is dead, it’s all about the lack of minerals or whatever, but from my perspective, the hair tells stories that are beyond this body. They might be the hair of your grandfather, and what were his experiences that have come through you and you’ve inherited the hair, or someone else. So that’s that multi-dimensionality.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I think we have to trust ourselves more. Trust who we really are more. Trust the vision. We’re all visionaries.
Chris Griscom
All of us are visionaries. And that’s why I’ve been doing this incarnational work for so long, because…
Alan Steinfeld
Incarnational past lives.
Chris Griscom
Yeah, I never use the word past life. Because when we look at the incarnations of the soul, we are seeing a repertoire that is being played out in this lifetime, with these people. And so there isn’t that duality of ‘this is past and it’s gone’. No, the past is playing itself upon the future through who we are today.
Alan Steinfeld
The past is playing itself out. Right, so those incomplete aspects that have disturbed the soul in the past need to be completed.
Chris Griscom
Yes, and we are here with the joy of that completion, because completion is not an ending. It’s an opening to a new beginning. I’ve been with many people at the moment of their death, and I have seen the soul leave. And when the body closes down, when the eyes become blank, there is this shooting out through the eyes at the moment of death, and that’s an expansion. It’s a blast of energy back into the cosmos.
Alan Steinfeld
So it’s a beginning. My favorite quote by Edgar Cayce is, ‘It’s not a question of how much does that consciousness survive the death of the body, but how much does that vast consciousness survive the life of the body.’ How much of that expansiveness can be incarnate.
Chris Griscom
And what opens the threshold to that is the possibility of wielding consciousness, wielding our mind’s focus so that we allow that possibility. See, children allow these things, and we need to set aside that ‘Oh, that’s only your imagination,’ and we need to allow the imagination, because you can only imagine what you have a frame of reference for.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I think you can imagine, the artist imagines what they don’t have a frame of reference for, in a sense.
Chris Griscom
Well, through their multi-dimensionality they do. Maybe in this body they don’t see it in the world around them, but they penetrate through the veils and something of the repertoire, the imagined repertoire of many embodiments, coming through that allows them to see colors, to see shapes, to see things that maybe are not even worldly.
Alan Steinfeld
Exactly, beyond their concept, there’s a perception that they don’t even understand.
Chris Griscom
Well, understanding is the booby prize. Some great being said that, and I absolutely agree that that is true, but knowing, and that’s where experience comes in, when you have that sense of something. So when an artist begins to paint something, he doesn’t know why they’re doing that painting, but something inside them knows it’s real and brings it from the unmanifest to manifestation. And so our repertoire of possibility is infinite. And that’s the purpose of embodiment, to experience the evolution of the soul, the evolution of life, of energies, of possibility, and relationship. I have a deep love both of Chinese medicine that says everything is connected to everything, and Einstein, who said relativity. The word relativity means so much to me.
Alan Steinfeld
What does it mean?
Chris Griscom
Well, it means that we can belong to everything. And when we belong to everything, and this is what the human DNA hungers for, belonging. But what it really wants to belong to is the cosmos, because that’s from which we come.
Alan Steinfeld
And we know we are part of that. We know it. And it’s been educated, of course, and brainwashed out of us to understand that.
Chris Griscom
Many of the movies that we’re seeing today are about aliens. And I really don’t like that word, because alien means it’s separate from us, that we don’t know it, and we do. We come from a galaxy. We are galactic. We are cosmic. And so we like to say, ‘Oh, that’s alien to me,’ as if it’s not worthy of me or somehow it’s foreign and if I connected to it, it would change me and I wouldn’t like that. Instead of that wonderful openness that says, ‘What could I do with that? What could we do with the consciousness that flows through the cosmos beyond time and space, as we recognize it?’
Alan Steinfeld
That’s very exciting. When people have that perspective, anything is possible.
Chris Griscom
Everything is possible. Everything is possible. And I’ve had the great gift of experiencing that in my life. Many, many things that you would think are impossible. People at the brink of death coming back to life, choosing life. Things that don’t seem to belong in our third-dimensional world, and yet they are there. I remember feeling that there was something wrong with me, because I was tested when I was young, because I was a strange little thing.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you mean you were tested?
Chris Griscom
Well, I was psychologically tested because I could hear your mind, and I thought you were speaking, and so I would answer your mind. Many children do this and many other things like that. And so I always felt that there was something wrong with me. Until I was 30 and I confessed to one of my colleagues, a psychological experimenter, and he said, ‘Come into my laboratory, I want to show you something.’ And he had electrodes connected to rocks, and the rocks were pulsing. And he said, ‘There’s nothing wrong with you. All of life pulses, all of life, even rocks have consciousness.’ Because when I was a child, I felt that the rocks would talk to me. They’d say, ‘Take me over there,’ or ‘Take me over here.’ And as an adult you might say, ‘What’s the matter with her?’ But all children do this until somebody says ‘Stop that.’
Alan Steinfeld
You know what happened to me recently, it’s sort of like that. I was going on the subway in New York, and right before I got on the subway, there was a MetroCard on the ground. A little subway card on the ground. And there’s always cards on the ground, but this one just shone out at me like, ‘Pick me up.’ So I said, I don’t like touching stuff on the ground in New York because it’s so disgusting, but I picked this card up and I figured I’ll use it, and it was like a month free pass. I know, it was just like, that little subway card spoke to me. And that’s just an example of trusting…
Chris Griscom
Well, my higher self would say, use life. If something calls to you, if you can remove the mind saying it might be disgusting or dirty, and instead say, ‘This is coming to me. There’s a purpose in that.’ And look what it gave you.
Alan Steinfeld
I know, it’s not a big deal, but it was a lesson. It spoke.
Chris Griscom
Alan, it was a kiss. And we can be kissed from nature, we can be kissed from consciousness. Imagine the person who held that card, because somebody put it on the ground, it didn’t just appear there.
Alan Steinfeld
Or lost it, yeah.
Chris Griscom
Somebody lost it to give it to you. Amazing. And things pop out at us.
Alan Steinfeld
I was in somebody’s apartment once, and I was just noticing this tree in the corner, this big plant, and I said, ‘That plant is special to you.’ And this woman says, ‘Yes, that plant was near death, and she nursed it back, and she has a special connection to this plant.’ And it’s like, really? It just talked to me.
Chris Griscom
And you know, the cosmic giggle that’s been said forever is that what you put out comes back. So there’s this figure eight, this fantastic current of energy that happens there. So she healed the plant, and now that plant heals her. That plant makes her feel good, that she has power, that there’s someone in the room with her. Because there is a relationship. And humans long for relationship of every kind. That’s the sadness of the modern world, is we’ve lost our relationship with nature. And nature wants to reach out to us.
Chris Griscom
And in fact, just like a child that is left unattended, nature becomes angry. And nature is influenced by our anger. And so Edgar Cayce said, this is the time of fire. And we’re seeing all these volcanoes and all of this fire energy on the planet. What does fire do? It renews life. It’s the birth of life, volcanic ash. Our consciousness needs to expand beyond what we see in the present. And nature is speaking to us and saying, ‘Let us dissolve away the anger and the war and the negativity of the past and come to a place where you can see our beauty.’ And nature is filled with beauty, even those volcanoes, and perhaps especially the fires, even the ones that are destructive to us.
Alan Steinfeld
I think all of us know that when we look back, so often we say, ‘Oh, thank heavens I didn’t continue with that relationship, or that job, or I had the courage to go on.’ But at the moment, we say, ‘I have to stay here because I won’t know who I am.’ Or ‘I’m committed,’ or ‘This person will be upset,’ or ‘I won’t survive without what I have now.’
Chris Griscom
Humans do have this strange lack of trust that says if I let go, I will lose everything. Instead of ‘I’m the source of my wealth, I’m the source of beauty, I’m the source of the future.’ And so we invest in the future but only in a negative way. And I want to see us invest in the future with our consciousness in a positive way.
Alan Steinfeld
So we project the consciousness into the future, the limitations of the consciousness. But what we can do is project the possibility, the wonder.
Chris Griscom
That’s right. All of the intensives that I’m having at the Light Institute this year have the theme this new year of ‘all possibilities,’ because the cosmos is coming at us at such a speed. We know that the auric field, that the electromagnetic field of the Earth is becoming thin. And so photon energy, radiant energy is coming into our planet and it’s stimulating our evolution. And it’s activating the natural DMT in our brain. It certainly is.
Alan Steinfeld
More people are visionaries, more people are waking up. We’re all ahead of the game.
Chris Griscom
We’re all ahead of the game, it’s just what triggers us into knowing that. And I don’t think of it as being ahead of the game, but I think of it as the exquisite possibility. And again, as I said before, my higher self, my inner voice, has always said, what is the gift? Use life, what can you do with this? So we never have to be bored. When you say use life, whatever situation you’re in, whatever is happening, whatever life is giving you, whatever is coming. But that’s a lot for us to recognize because we still have the negative sense of responsibility. We feel that responsibility is attached to that Judeo-Christian ethic of blame and guilt, instead of the power of responsibility. I will give my best, I belong to this.
Alan Steinfeld
The power of responsibility. That is such a great way of reframing it. Because there is power. People think of it as a burden, but it’s what we’ve incarnated for.
Chris Griscom
It whispers to us, use the gifts that you have. You are intelligent, you are needed, and you have something to give. And so if we take responsibility in that way, it’s kind of like the little children’s story, Chicken Little, ‘I will do it, I will give something to it.’ And it’s not yours how it comes out. We don’t have to be responsible for the end result because once we put something out, it takes a life of its own, and others are involved in it. But we must seed it. We must come forward and say, here’s an idea, here’s a possibility. And if we do it to the best that we can, then we don’t have to worry about the outcome because life has included us. And we need that so much today.
Chris Griscom
With all of our technology, I watch this with young people. Their whole lives are about what they’re texting. And they’re much safer saying things to each other through a text. Aren’t we all? Instead of looking into the eyes of another person and actually being able to speak our truths or what we want to communicate. And so we’re not going to change that, but we could amplify it. My higher self says that in the future, technology will be organic.
Alan Steinfeld
I think biology is organic technology.
Chris Griscom
Of course it is. The thing I do want to say about texting is sometimes you get a text and you get the psychic imprint of the text. They could say something simple and it’s like, ‘Oh, I get it.’ And even I love all those little smiley figures and emotional things, because they can transmit to me. Sometimes I have to say something to someone that might seem, without hearing my voice, harsh or shortened and not have the hologram of it. So I put a little smiley or laughter or a spiral to the cosmos, and I know that it softens it for them. I know that it says to them, ‘It’s okay, I’m here with you.’ But texting is a singularity of the dimensions. When I talk to you in person, I am getting the multi-dimensional you. So I can’t limit this communication to just these words. The texting you can, but the in-person incarnational exchange is multi-dimensional, holographic. There’s so much happening in our psychic space. And people don’t realize, they don’t honor that in themselves. Talk about trust. Trust your intuition, that you’re not only watching someone’s words, but you’re watching their expression, you’re seeing their soul, you’re feeling their heart. And when you feel someone’s heart, your heart connects. And this is important. There’s the resonance of the heart, and the union of our fields. We’re one being in this communication.
Alan Steinfeld
And to go back to nature, nature is alive. When we first met, if you said ‘I’m a tree hugger,’ people would disregard that person in their conversation. But today people would say, ‘Yes, I love the trees as well.’ And what I want to say to this world is that, talk about using life, from a tree, from a dog, from all of nature, from the wind, you can have that sense of having a conversation, of being included, of being touched. We need to be touched.
Alan Steinfeld
What I really want to talk to you about is, for the last 20, 30 years, you’ve been on the wise woman path, leading people, helping them experience incarnation. What has been your internal process? I mean, when we talked 20 years ago you were already very in touch, in these last 20 years, what’s deepened for you? What has come through that you didn’t know 20 years ago?
Chris Griscom
I think that I would come first with the concept that I feel that we are all more cosmic, that the cosmos is coming into us and activating our intelligence and our wisdom for everyone. And so I have an expanded horizon. That when I look at you, I don’t see just Alan the man, I see Alan the cosmic being.
cosmic being, and that this has meaning to me. It’s not just the fantasy of our, do we have galactic DNA? But again, it’s where does it pop into our life? And how can we turn that? So my work has always been about reflecting back, and this is what incarnational work does. Reflecting back to someone you’re so much more than your daily life makes you think you are. And so it’s the invitation to see yourself in that way. To know that you can come up with an idea, that you can get over a hurt, that you can imagine that you could come from a different dimension and use that. My great grandfather, who was one of the most important people in my life, always said, anchor the sky. So as we expand our technology, as we realize that we are global beings just to begin with, what happens to you across the planet is happening to me on some level of my being.
Alan Steinfeld
And instantly we know about it through the internet.
Chris Griscom
That’s right.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s the magic of it.
Chris Griscom
But we know about the actions, and as I was saying before, this problem with history is that we don’t necessarily know the deep spiritual result of those actions, and we need to know that. So my work with Spirit as a spiritual leader, if I might say, is to reflect again that our spiritual energy says that we are unlimited and that we are connected and that we can use, we have resources that are beyond the limitation of what we do every day. And my higher self would say, take what you do, maybe you’re just driving in traffic or sitting in the subway, look around and see what you want to give to the world. So I think in this last 20 years, I’ve really begun to access the power of the giver. If you see someone who’s homeless in the subway, you can send light to that person. You can look at that person. I used to do this with my children. What do you think that person is thinking? What is that person feeling? Who is that person? Because when we look at multi-dimensionality, that person might have been a great being, a powerful magician, maybe they used it badly and they’re punishing themselves.
Alan Steinfeld
You know what I look for on the subway? I look for the God in that person. I look for the light that is eternal in that.
Chris Griscom
There you are. That’s my favorite thing. And that’s what happens if you look through the outside, here’s this guy or woman or child, looking like a victim. But only the limitation of their consciousness has caused them to feel that that’s what they deserve, that that’s what they are. But if you see, and a great guru said that once, and that’s the thing that I’ve carried, see God in each other. Of course, my concept of God is a little different, but see that divine energy.
Alan Steinfeld
What is your concept of God?
Chris Griscom
Well, I think it’s very quaint of humans to only see God in our own form. And of course, as a woman, as I said, I wrote a book called The Evolution of God, as a woman, I would say, all of that chatter in a male vernacular, how does that make us, how am I the image of God if I’m in a female form and you see it only in a male form?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, all religion is such dogma that doesn’t relate to galactic times.
Chris Griscom
That’s right. And for me to, and I love science now because it is piercing the veil that our consciousness has been able to pierce before, that our psychic intuitive human attributes have always offered to us to see that, of course, we’re not alone in the cosmos. And if we’re not alone, then what are those forms of consciousness of sentience? And as we see that, then God changes. I always say, imagine your children or your grandchildren going out into space just like the astronauts have done now. Their concept of God has gone beyond this punishing God, this human form of God. And so let us begin that. And as we see that, we’ll begin to release some of that dogma that say this is good and this is not good. Because I had a divinity school for 16 years and we never used the word God, we never used the word belief. We expanded that so that we could touch that energy in a more profound way.
Alan Steinfeld
So I’m just getting when you say we’re galactic, we aren’t limiting ourselves even by the word human or Earthling. We’re making available to consciousness a greater facility.
Chris Griscom
Thank you, Alan Steinfeld. It’s so true. You know, we must begin to see ourselves in relationship to the cosmos. We are made of carbon atoms as are the stars, you know. And as are any other sentient energies that inhabit stars which have planets around them. And so as we expand from our human DNA to our galactic DNA to our angelic and devic DNA, we can see ourselves differently. And we can relate to that. Again, if you imagine that you are a galactic being, that you have that, what is DNA? It’s simply a structure. It’s a matrix that gives you possibility. So if we allow that, what could it do for us?
Alan Steinfeld
Well let’s go into that with you if you don’t mind because I’m interested in the levels of perception and you can go as far out as you want. Don’t scare them because that plants seeds of possibility because in your work and in your personal visionary experience you are seeing more than you ever have and I want to know what that is. I want you to scare us, no not scare us but I want you to awaken…
Chris Griscom
What I want to say is that each of you has a repertoire that is beyond what you perceive in yourselves now. I wrote a book called Psychogenetics, the Force of Heredity, and I talked about if incarnation scares somebody, think about your great, great, great grandparents, your forefathers. Were they shaman? How did they see God? How did they see themselves in relationship to nature? You have inherited that. You have inherited that. We have in some aspects of our history stories of great beings coming down, light beings coming down. So I always want to say that as we expand into the cosmos, we want to bring it into our human form because our human form is changing. There’s so much radiation going on right now. Right now it may be causing cancer, but if you quicken, if you allow yourself to feel that you are a galactic for example, your radiance will increase and that will allow you to connect to other worlds and other energies. And so instead of being hurt by energies that are stronger than you, you can relate to energies that are stronger than you.
Alan Steinfeld
Well you know, cosmic radiation is the engine of evolution. And that’s how things evolve with these pulsations of blasts of cosmic energy. That’s why it’s quantum evolution.
Chris Griscom
I love that you say that. That is so true.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s my understanding it because there’s gaps where all of a sudden things burst and there’s a new species overnight practically.
Chris Griscom
And what that does, that blast, that radiant blast, what it does is it expands the consciousness so that it begins to be able to absorb and receive energies that change who we are.
Alan Steinfeld
It actually expands God. I mean, it’s the engine of God’s evolutionary creation.
Chris Griscom
To imagine that your Source, that which created you, is stale and does not change is ludicrous. Even with our intelligence today, that’s why I wrote that book, The Evolution of God. Because as we evolve, my concept of the purpose of life, the evolution of the soul, is that God grows through you. Our thoughts, our experiences, what we can imagine in this lifetime, goes from the manifest to the unmanifest and it influences future. It changes the flow of the cosmos. It amplifies it.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I had a teacher that said God only knows what you know.
Chris Griscom
That’s right. So get about it.
Alan Steinfeld
But as we make known the unknown, which is our incarnational role and gift, then it’s the evolution of consciousness.
Chris Griscom
And that comes through experience. So we needn’t be afraid to be in our bodies, but to allow the bodies to experience. The more we do that, the more the old stiff energies fall away, what is good, what is bad, what is allowed, what is forbidden, all of that, it falls away and we feel, we begin to relate to what’s called the unknown. You know in my vernacular there is no unknown. What is unknown to you does not exist. It does not exist for you because you have no relationship to it. When you relate to it, you know more because doesn’t it come into us? We experience it. Because everything is related to everything. It’s relativity. You have an experience and it has a thousand aspects connected to it and it opens you to that. When I began this work, I began with the emotional body because I saw that the emotional body only functions through association. It associates. It takes this experience and then it attaches to it others that seem like it. And as it goes out, associating new things start to come in and awareness and consciousness expands.
Alan Steinfeld
And they’re also proving that in neurophysiology, neurons that fire together, wire together. So we have these associations. So now in your process, I keep getting back to it because I’m really interested because you were at the forefront, I mean you’re where a lot of people, you were 20 years ago, where a lot of people are just now awakening to this multi-dimensional. So I want to know, do you feel you’re getting closer to something, to another awakening?
Chris Griscom
You know, it’s not and humans have this little foible is that we always see everything in the future, like if I could just get there. What I have found is that if you relax, there will come to you. I had a beautiful experience, if I can tell this little short story. I took some people to Sedona, which is well known for its vortexes and its connection to other dimensions and the red rocks heal the heart. It’s a wonderful place. And so I did an intensive there that was about freedom. Freedom in the body, freedom in life, freedom on all levels. And I took people to the various vortexes. My fathers lived there for 45 years, and so I know Sedona very well.
Alan Steinfeld
Your father did? Before it was the hot spot…
Chris Griscom
Almost 50 years. That’s right. Way before that. But I took them to a vortex, a special vortex which I’m not going to say at the moment, but it is a portal. It’s not just a vortex, it’s a portal. And this is my own process. A long time ago, when Strieber, I can’t remember his name, the guy that wrote the book about the Grays and it had that very potent picture of the Grays…
Alan Steinfeld
Whitley Strieber.
Chris Griscom
Yes, that’s right.
Alan Steinfeld
Great guy. Just had lunch with him.
Chris Griscom
Oh well I’d love to have a chat with him. Anyway years ago I had seen the cover of that book and the conversation of the Grays and over the 20 years I have seen that our consciousness has changed the DNA of Grays, by the way. That’s another conversation. But at that time I was, I had had a negative experience with galactic energies touching into my brain in a very symbolic and limited, I was very insulted that that’s what they thought humans were.
Alan Steinfeld
Were these the Grays that…
Chris Griscom
I don’t know who they were. But they were tapping into my brain and they didn’t get what humans were. And then after that, one night I was awakened by three beings who were white and had those big eyes like the Grays but they were white and they touched my brain and again through my death experiences I have felt love. I have felt universal love. And they tapped into my brain in that way. And I awakened and I saw them just like I’m looking at you, these three little guys at the end of my bed. And I said, ‘Go away. You must be the Grays. Look at those eyes. Go away.’ You know, and I sent them away. And then my inner voice, my higher self stopped me and said, ‘They came for your help, and you sent them away because you could not see.’ And it broke my heart and I wanted them to come back. I didn’t know how I could help them, but I wanted them to come back and nothing happened. When just a month ago I took these people into this portal. It actually pulled us into the portal. You could just like in New Mexico, you can feel the radiation that comes from Los Alamos. You come close to this, this vortex and it begins to pull you in. And we sat and we projected into the portal and who was there but those three beings and also some very tall other beings and it was a completion for me. It was an opportunity to now fulfill something that I had not fulfilled because of my fear, because I had a construct that someone else had emplaced in my mind where I didn’t. And this is an important conversation. Go into your own self and say, is this true? When people ask me, should I eat this? What should I do for health? I always say ask your body, the body never lies. What’s good for you might be poison for someone else. Trust you. There are guidelines, of course, of course.
Alan Steinfeld
So what did you say to these beings though? Or what was the exchange?
Chris Griscom
Well, it really was them asking me, perhaps you are being the facilitator of that, asking me to now speak about conscious energies that are in different shapes than us, but are us. And I think that the bottom line is that the Galactics, we are the Galactics. So when we’re saying, ‘well God help us, well Galactics help us, well angels help us,’ we are the angels, we are the Galactics, we are the God. And that was their message to me to please show people how to relate, how to come into contact with that and know that it is within you and not necessarily outside you. Because in today’s world right now, you know, we’re fussing about who’s running our country, who’s running the world. We’re running the world.
Alan Steinfeld
At a bigger level than politics.
Chris Griscom
And we can influence politics through a higher level of consciousness. Humans love to be the victim, we love to whine, and those three beings were embracing me. First of all they were filling me with that kind of cosmic multiverse energy if you will, that expresses part of why a soul comes to humanness or to this planet. We are the planet of the heart. It’s why the Mayans and the Incans were cutting out hearts. They were cutting out hearts because Galactics had lost, this is something that I have been taught or told by them, that it wasn’t this terrible thing of cutting out the hearts but that they were doing that because the Galactics were attempting to reintroduce human heart DNA, emotional DNA into galactic civilizations.
Alan Steinfeld
Well that’s why they’ve been abducting humans and…
Chris Griscom
Of course. And by the way, I have worked with some of the most famous abductees in the world. And the surprising energy is that 100% of the time, they are who’s abducting them. It’s their own group that is abducting them.
Alan Steinfeld
I believe that.
Chris Griscom
Because they have had a mission to come down, to be the body that is taken up, that’s fiddled with, you know, all this stuff about sexuality. Sexuality, that’s a whole long conversation.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh we should have that conversation.
Chris Griscom
We should. All humans should have that conversation. But you know they say, oh I was you know they fiddled with my sexuality. Well of course your sexual organs, your sexual energy is the closest energy to spirit because that’s the only way at this point you get into a body. And so it’s the perfect genetic encapsulation.
Alan Steinfeld
And they need that from us. They don’t have the facility anymore, at least some of the Grays, to reproduce.
Chris Griscom
And beyond the Grays. Beyond the Grays. I once had an experience, and many people have, of having an embryo inside taken by Galactics, by a beautiful Galactic group that looked like angels, but they were gray and very large and huge wings. Some of you may have perceived them who are unable to reproduce. And so they were doing that same thing. So this is a pattern, you know, it’s like come back to the Immaculate Conception. Egyptians and other civilizations spoke of Immaculate Conception long before Christianity. Because, and what is Immaculate Conception? It is a higher energy being seeded into humanity.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, in a way, all conception is immaculate, isn’t it?
Chris Griscom
Of course it really is, on that level. Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
But let me just ask you what you just said before about the Grays evolving through our consciousness, because I’m writing about that. I know you are. Yeah, so I want to know…
Chris Griscom
I don’t know if Strieber would agree with me, but I have to say again, I have been doing incarnational work for sixty, about to be 61 years. So I have had the access to dimensional frequencies that are spectacular. And again in the same context that God grows through you or I call it the Divine Source is always evolving, that the multiverses are evolving, that why would we think that the Grays are the bad guys and that they’re only there to scare us and take our stuff.
Alan Steinfeld
Strieber would agree because he’s evolved his relationship and his understanding. And he’s actually said in his last book Supernatural that what we think are ETs or Grays are really just a concept we can relate to, but that’s not what they are. They’re way beyond what we can imagine.
Chris Griscom
And here is the difficulty and this is the essence of my evolution and my teaching is that humans somehow in our genetic encoding, in our experiences back to almost the beginning, have had this smallness that have said we have to be fed from the outside, so we’ve never opened to the actual Source. I mean, if you could imagine that and why couldn’t you, that you are part of Divine Energy. How else would you get here? You know, if there weren’t some aspect that could influence creation, you know, you wouldn’t be here. So to think of the Grays, and so humans think of Galactics or Aliens or ETs as an energy that impinges upon us.
Alan Steinfeld
Well some do, yeah, some people do.
Chris Griscom
Because they don’t recognize their own Galactic energy that we impinge upon them. So again, as quantum physics says, the observed is changed by the observer. So when Whitley did that wonderful thing of opening up that conversation and helping people to say, yes when I was a child I had those experiences and amplifying that, now we have to go from the fear of it into the truth of it which is that you are the Galactics, you agreed to be that vehicle, that embodiment that would help your own. Not your enemies, not something stronger than you, but something you belong to. And 100% of the people that I have worked with when I have asked their Higher Self, show you why this has happened to you. Again, it has not been the unknown, it has been, ‘Oh I said I would.’ Why did you say you would? ‘Because I am them. They are my Self.’
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. No, the fear is the human ego like fragile limitation that then gets shattered when we meet them.
Chris Griscom
And when I started, that’s how I started my work, Alan, was that I saw that the emotional body was separate and small. And so it enacted the survival energy of primordial man who was separate from the Divine, who began to see it only as separate and more powerful than the Self. So I realized then I had the illumination that it isn’t ‘kill the ego’, nourish the ego, allow the ego to be part of the whole, to be part of the cosmos. So we need to not flip out of our bodies. We need to anchor the sky as my great-grandfather said. We need to bring in galactic angelic multi-verse energies, cosmic. I love the word cosmic. If you say galactic, we think structure. When I was young, I used to disregard galactic because I thought of it as metal. I thought of it as so far from human. But as I began to see it as cosmic, then I could relate to it and any of the multidimensional aspects of myself.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think what you just said sort of sums up for me your work about the primal human living in the fear of its own limitation as we evolve from simple beings, we took that fear with us and forgot the overlay of the divine that’s been encoded.
Chris Griscom
That’s right.
Alan Steinfeld
And so this is the time of awakening.
Chris Griscom
And this is why we are seeing so much war. We are seeing so much because at this point, this pivotal point in our evolution as a species, as a part of the cosmic community, we must let go of the illusion of survival. I think that’s why we say why does something happen to you? Why did I learn about incarnations from an experiential, active, not an intellectual…
Alan Steinfeld
Success near death experiences…
Chris Griscom
Which happened when I was a child. That let me know right away that there’s more than this, but that I learned about incarnations as a way of recognizing that you can tap into that. And when we tap into that, that is beginning to imprint human consciousness away from survival. You will survive beyond this body that you carry.
Alan Steinfeld
Survival is ensured on the consciousness level.
Chris Griscom
That’s right.
Alan Steinfeld
And we got caught up in the smallness.
Chris Griscom
Even in these bodies, here we are trying to kill each other off. That has to stop. And that is simply, my own higher self has said, especially in the Middle East, there is so much bloodshed. There is so much hatred of embodiment there that that is coming to the surface because the Earth itself has said to me, I’m smothering. I cannot shift and evolve as an Earth as Gaia until you clear away all of the human blood that has influenced. And so instead of seeing the evolution of that right now, we’re seeing the repetition of that, but connected to the repetition of that is the evolution of that.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, of course. It has to be played out eventually.
Chris Griscom
Absolutely.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s like lifetime. You do the same thing every lifetime until you get it, right?
Chris Griscom
That’s right. Well, there’s a little shift each time. So we repeat, but we repeat, because we’re intelligent, we repeat with a little glimmer, a little flicker of light that helps us.
Alan Steinfeld
But the Middle Eastern wars are like that repeat with maybe a little glimmer.
Chris Griscom
Well, we’re not seeing the glimmer right now. But what’s happening is that people around the world are beginning to come together. Young people are beginning to come together and say, we’re not afraid of you. You’re not all this. We can relate to you. And I always say that if you sit with your enemy and you say, what’s important to you? They will say peace. Peace meaning safety. Food for my children. Love and safety for my children. And I could say, this is true of myself. This is true of my…
Alan Steinfeld
Marshall Rosenberg proved that with non-violent, everyone has the same needs.
Chris Griscom
That’s right. And if we talk about that, we can say, I can help you to have that for your children. Let us bring our children together. And people are doing that around the world. I can remember being in Russia when invited by a group of Jewish people and who helped me with this group called healthy family that came from around Russia to talk about our humanity and our health. And then suddenly Russia started pushing them out. Repetition of old patterns. And I love this specific woman, this beautiful woman who went back to Israel and started again, taking young people from other groups and putting them together and allowing the young people to say, I’m not afraid of you. And you like texting? I like texting. You like food? I like food. And suddenly there is this, and it’s growing on the planet.
Alan Steinfeld
So what do you see now, wrapping up because I know you have some sessions to do.
Chris Griscom
You and I could talk forever.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, and we’ll hopefully continue. I will come out to New Mexico and we will continue.
Chris Griscom
Please do. Please do. New Mexico, you know, and Galisteo, I chose to have my center there because it is a literal window to the sky and people can feel that expansion. Even the wind that blows on you there will blow your ego, will blow your auric field into a bigger perspective. So do come.
Alan Steinfeld
I will, but what do you see now as a visionary for yourself, also, and the future? Are we closer to now than we’ve ever been before and what do you…
Chris Griscom
We are at the precipice. We are at the precipice where we make choice. And one of my favorite words, Alan, is choice. Peace is a choice. We have a choice to choose. We are creating our future now. So in this limited perspective that we have, we feel like the world is falling apart. We know that environmentally we are definitely at a precipice. We must act now in a new level. What I see is that at this dangerous moment that seems as if it’s closing in, there will be a new seeding, there will be a new point of enlightenment that doesn’t have to do with the danger of not surviving, but the power of again, bringing in possibility. And people will stop being invisible. What I see, and I see this in what we see is the obvious. We see the opposite right now. We see people killing off other cultures and people who believe in the same God killing them off. What I see is that that is the end. That is an ending. And what is coming now is that we are beginning to realize that when we come together and we use our psychic capacities, our spiritual capacities, we are dissolving the illusion of our separation. We think we’re sitting in two bodies here. We’re actually sitting in one body.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, we’re in a field.
Chris Griscom
And so what I see in the future is more and more coming together. Now humans again, have a little trouble with that because we have trouble with trust. And that’s why we’re being pushed to this place where we have to cooperate. What happens to you happens to me. And even if that is a survival concept inside me that says, I better help you because if I don’t help you, I will not be here. And so we can use the old framework. From the old comes the new. The new doesn’t come out of nowhere. It comes out of some point that’s been hidden. And what I see as a visionary is I see the opening of the human heart. You know, we started down in the Tontin and we went from the Tontin to the emotional body, to the opening of the heart. And now we’re in this place of the throat in our evolutionary passage. And the throat is the wisdom coming in to be communicated and the heart lifting to be shown. So we’re in a place where humanity, the experience of humanity is about to break free. And I see that we will, and I have seen it many times before, always in tragedy. Always in an earthquake, in a hurricane, in destruction and death, humans coming together and supporting each other. I see human consciousness finding the answers. And please allow me to say one final thing and talking about the environment because I know that the beauty that we see in nature heals us. And as we heal nature, we heal our humanity. And I have started a project called Global Warming Initiative, Global Initiative. It comes out of an old project I had many years ago, which was called Human Potential and Global Responsibility. Responsibility in that beautiful sense. Which and that became Human Nature Alliance, echo SOS. And you can find that. It’s free. I need millions of people to join. And what that is, is something that we’ve never done before. And that is instead of waiting for technology to change nature or the gods to change nature or to change our lives, to somehow help us, it has to come from us now. And so what I am bringing forward is to use the consciousness that we have, your everyday consciousness. All humans manifest all the time. We manifest something we need in a day, an idea that we have. We bring it forward into the world. We allow it to be visible. Instead of the radiance and the power of the human auric field, the human consciousness to come forward. And so this project is using your mind, if you will, your mind, the focus of your mind, to look up into the sky and dissolve the excess carbon dioxide. We don’t have to become Venus, a planet of gases. We can preserve our oceans and preserve our…
Alan Steinfeld
So allow us to dissolve just how do we do that? How do we focus?
Chris Griscom
It’s so simple. And I’m going to be giving a number of what I call technology of consciousness to those that are joining that. To dissolve it. But basically I could say to all of you, it’s really nothing more than perhaps you could begin by imagining a beautiful blue sky. And penetrating that blue sky and feeling the molecules, the molecules of carbon dioxide allowing them to demanifest, to move back into demanifestation. So that there is a balance. So that the seas can absorb more carbon dioxide. So that the plants, the gift of the trees on this planet can bring about that balance within us. It’s very simple. And if we cooperate, if we recognize the power of our collective consciousness, we can not only change something, but through that change, through that motion of evolution, the spiral of evolution, we can bring about a new reality on this planet. Not just balancing so that we don’t snuff out human life and perhaps all life that uses breath, that uses oxygen. Rather than snuffing that out, we can participate in the evolution of new species and new ways of humanity. And I’m very excited about this. I see it in my visionary mind. I see this. I see it happening now. It just happened in the United States when something that was impossible and had been said, this will not happen, and suddenly through the blessing of the internet and our capacity to connect with each other, millions of people blended their consciousness, this happened at Standing Rock. And instead of going back…
Alan Steinfeld
Let me speak to this for a second.
Chris Griscom
Instead of going back to where we began as we came into what we call the United States and we punished the people who had loved nature and had protected the balance here and had lived here, we took all that away from them. We took their religion away from them by taking their sense of self away from them. And we did that again in Standing Rock. We repeated the past, symbolically and physically. Those who have said, our waters are sacred, we’re made of water, we must protect our waters. And it was said, it cannot be done. The forces that be, the powers that be will not stop. And it didn’t stop when the president asked for it, for example. When one person asked for it, it did not stop. But when millions of people gathered together and simply projected their consciousness onto that point, onto Standing Rock, onto the waters there. And what was the emotion that projected that? The consciousness was the power of love saying, no more. This is an ending. Stop here. Allow it, not blaming, not saying these are the bad guys, but saying, stop and bring about a new balance. What happened? Suddenly out of nowhere, it stopped. This is what I see as a visionary. The power of collective consciousness, not dissolving away as Galactics have done, not dissolving away the power and the beauty and the sacredness of our individuality, of our individuation if you will. But allowing the higher octaves of our possibility and our potential to combine and direct in a single stream, and I love the word streaming, of consciousness into something that we can work in harmony with nature to change for the good of the whole as Spock would say. And that’s my ending. That’s what I want to give to all of you to inspire yourselves, to commune, and to align with things that are bigger than you, that belong to you, that are so much the purpose of your being here. The purpose of your being here is not just to clear your karma, but to use the powerful karma that belongs to you from your many incarnations, use it now.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, clearing your karma just gets you to ground zero, just sets you to level ground. But so in the Standing Rock case, we were going back in that cyclical pattern and we leaped, we healed it.
Chris Griscom
We leaped, we jumped off the precipice. And it changed everyone who signed the petition, everyone who meditated or thought about it, or agreed with it, even agreed with it, changed this for the good of the whole. Everyone who did it were changed themselves because they experienced it.
Alan Steinfeld
And you know I think social media, mass media, you know, citizen media…
Chris Griscom
And we are citizens of the world.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, but you know because of things like the internet, the mainstream television wasn’t reporting. They were saying these are protesters, and if you listen to the social media they say, no, these are water protectors. It’s just a…
Chris Griscom
That’s right. And again, each one of us doesn’t have to listen to someone else tell us the story. That’s what I learned when I sent those beings, those sentient beings away, it taught me, why did you not listen to what you knew? I felt the love, I felt the truth, and I did not listen to it. And that is taking us to the next step of the power of our individuation that can then from there, allow us without fear to blend together and use that kind of power.
Alan Steinfeld
So what’s your next step? What do you see for yourself? I mean, I know you…
Chris Griscom
I am working on amplifying my visibility in ways that allow me to walk within my own truth as I invite everyone else to be seen as my true self, to be able to bilocate, to transmit energies. I taught a course on transmission. I feel that all of us transmit, but we transmit unconsciously. I want to amplify my own growth now is to be able to amplify a transmission that, my favorite story is Johnny Appleseed. That you put the seed. So my evolution and my purpose now is to become aware of more seeds of evolution. Spiritual evolution, the evolution of nature, the evolution of oneness. And to seed that, not to feel that they have to see it through me.
Alan Steinfeld
You auto-transmit. You’re an auto-transmitter. When people are in your field, in your sessions, they get the incarnational experience without you saying anything.
Chris Griscom
And they get it through them. And that’s what I love. I’m not here to… I am a template. We are each and all templates. We are each and all the apex of our pyramid. But it’s to transmit to them that they have that within them, that they can transmit, that they are agents of change through their own experiences, and to help them to feel the power of that, and that’s why I do incarnational work. For them to feel it themselves, not me telling them or even showing them, but allowing them to see what is true for them. And I always said to my students, speak your truth, but know that it will change tomorrow. As you change, as you see a bigger horizon, you will see new truths.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you for showing people bigger horizons.
Chris Griscom
Thank you for helping me to do it. For facilitating that.
Alan Steinfeld
That is our work together.
Chris Griscom
It is our work together. It is because there’s something great possible for humanity.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s right. And I know that. And I experience that. I see that in people. As you said, you see that divine energy in them.
Chris Griscom
You see it and when you see it in somebody, you hold that space for them and they rise to that level.
Alan Steinfeld
They do. They do. And then you sit back and you enjoy the beauty of that.
Chris Griscom
And the magic of it. There is magic in this world and it’s coming forward. And that’s why we long for it. And that’s why we want to see it or hear it. And hopefully, you have seen some of that today.
Alan Steinfeld
And you will take your own magic and seed it out into the world. Great love.
Chris Griscom
Thank you. We will continue. We will, absolutely. Great love. Great love.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you for your time and for your work and for your vision about what’s possible.
Chris Griscom
And it’s all there. And that possibility is coming at us at an amazing speed and becoming manifest.
Alan Steinfeld
So be it.
Chris Griscom
So be it.
Alan Steinfeld
Alan Steinfeld with Chris Griscom from the Light Institute in Galisteo, New Mexico. What’s your website?
Chris Griscom
www.lightinstitute.com, I believe. Or the globalinitiative.com or chrisgriscom.com will bring you into all of those circles and circles upon circles.
Alan Steinfeld
Look for Chris. She is going to be out there even more because you’ve kind of been behind the scenes, so it’s time to…
Chris Griscom
Yes, it’s time to expand that.
Alan Steinfeld
Totally time.
Chris Griscom
Yes. And this and what you have done and do, do, is the gift for us all. You give us the voice and I am very, very grateful for that, Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. Alan Steinfeld for New Realities and for me, I am changed with each interview. I am encoded with new information that makes me expand more.
Chris Griscom
Wonderful. Look out world. Here he comes.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Talk to you next time. Thanks for watching.