New Realities recorded on July 27, 2024
Summary
Alan Steinfeld, Viola Rose, and guest Isabella Greene discuss the concept of Earth as a “matrix” or “loosh farm” controlled by “Archons.” They explore the idea that the reincarnation cycle is a trap designed to harvest human emotional energy. Isabella shares her personal experiences with out-of-body travel and near-death experiences, suggesting that true freedom comes from breaking this cycle through specific inner work, yogic practices like breathwork, and attaining a state of “sacred neutrality” to transcend the astral plane and connect directly with Source consciousness.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Alan Steinfeld of New Realities and Mitchell Rabin of A Better World are very happy to be bringing world-renowned biologist, mystic, philosopher Bruce Lipton to New York Saturday, August 3rd, for an epic convergence of science and spirit masterclass. And the renowned songwriter-singer Kristin Hoffman will do the opening number for the event. Thanks, Kristin. On this show, I asked Bruce to tell me what this six-hour workshop in New York will all be about.
Bruce Lipton
Knowledge is power, but here’s what makes it interesting. Knowledge of self, which turns into self-empowerment. To become the creator instead of the presumed victim is all this new science.
Alan Steinfeld
For tickets for the Bruce Lipton event in New York, August 3rd, go to www.abetterworld.net/events-2. Right now, we have a great two-for-one special because we really want people there to see this work. Thank you. Welcome back to New Realities. I’m really excited to continue this series with my good friend Viola Rose. And last time we talked about this whole aspect of what we call the Archons are about, and we’ll get into that. But today’s guest is Isabella Greene, who wrote a fantastic book. Why don’t you introduce Isabella, Viola, and give a background.
Viola Rose
Yes. We have been having these conversations about the archonic nature of our reality and exploring this topic, which is the topic of all topics. So important. And my friend and colleague, Isabella Greene, is at the forefront of this topic right now because it’s up in the collective. And her book is an amazing primer and an amazing introduction to this whole topic, but more than an introduction because her book also gives solutions and tools and techniques that we can use to navigate this subject rather than just landing it into your lap and then just being lost. So we are delighted to have Isabella Greene here today to just have a conversation with us. We want to hear about your body of research from your own experience, which is such a unique vantage point. So welcome, Isabella.
Isabella Greene
Thank you so much, Viola. Thank you.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you for that introduction. Her book is called “Leaving the Trap: How to Exit the Reincarnation Cycle.” And there’s so much to unpack right there. But Archons are sucking our energy, our emotional energy. And what I get from what you’re saying, the reincarnation keeps us in that emotional cycle. Is that right, Isabella?
Isabella Greene
Reincarnation is just an extension of sustaining… it’s a system that sustains the matrix. So the matrix feeds the reincarnation cycle, sends the souls there, and then the reincarnation cycle feeds the matrix because it’s all based on unfulfilled human desires. And the archons that greet the souls on the way in, they present different tactics. They show how inadequate we were in our past life and that we need to go back and do better and learn more. And there’s a whole lot of different ideas that circulate there and they also circulate here within the matrix. And so humanity is kept within this system and that system is taking care of keeping humanity quite disempowered. The whole system just cuts off the awareness of how truly powerful we are, the infinite nature of our souls. And so that’s the idea.
Alan Steinfeld
But one thing I think we have to define, and maybe you can’t do that too, Viola, is what is this matrix? How do you define that? Either one of you.
Viola Rose
Well, we’re living in some sort of simulation. There’s something here that is sometimes called a bad copy of a copy or some sort of hologram or simulation. To whatever degree that it’s real or not, this seems to be some sort of farm, some sort of loosh harvesting station, energy harvesting system. Just like animals on a farm, we are also animals on a farm and our life force, our chi, our energy, our emotions seems to be fuel to keep this simulation running.
Isabella Greene
I can add to that because I do personal sessions and because recently my subject has been existing reincarnations, the clients that come in have questions related to that. And so a lot of information… I’m in an altered state. I’m in trance when I do sessions. So I have access to what my logical brain doesn’t have access to. And I have been receiving bits of information… literally this week, I received the information that there were three tiers of three parts of human history. And the final part, the third tier that we’re in, was created, deliberately generated when Earth reality switched hands, so to speak. And there are a different set of handlers. The actual archonic reality was installed. When the archons came to own the Earth plane, they installed the system. The matrix and the reincarnation system. And that expands from our everyday reality, what we are facing and banging against here in this Earth plane. And everyone on this channel, I’m sure, are fully aware of what I’m talking about, the covered governments and all of that. I don’t even have the terminology to explain that because that is not my focus. But it also includes and extends into the astral dimension and the layers or the dimensions of the astral plane, the afterlife. The space where we go during near-death experiences. All of that is a part of the matrix, except it’s non-physical. So it expands into the non-physical as well. And is that a simulation or not? There is a lot of debate going on right there now. But it definitely is an existence. I have observed that through my out-of-body experiences, through my near-death experiences, and I have seen it firsthand. So this is what’s going on as far as what the matrix is. The matrix is a system of control for the purpose of collecting, farming, collecting the energy and farming the human race and utilizing the human race for the benefit of a different species.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. That’s my feeling. I’d love to hear what those other two layers were before this third layer. Can you just explain what those layers were before you discovered this last third layer?
Isabella Greene
Well, these are the times in history… As far as I got, I literally just received that this week. So I don’t have all that much information. But I know that at the beginning, there were different owners or different project managers. Project Earth, right? So Earth had a different project managing system that was more benevolent. And so we’re probably talking Atlantis. We’re probably talking Lemuria, when civilizations and the human body vehicle and the human consciousness was more connected and a truly much bigger package than what happened after the third group of owners came to own the Earth reality. And at that point, my understanding is that that point started somewhere around… that’s what the Sumerian tablets talk about, that this is when the human DNA was played with to lessen the humans. And if you listen to the brilliant work of Paul Wallis, or read his books, he says that it’s in the Bible, it’s in the Book of Genesis. In the Book of Genesis, it says that humans became too much like us and too strong and we need to lessen their abilities and who they are so that we could utilize them better. And definitely it’s not written in this text, but this is what my understanding is, that the third reality on Earth, the third level, and that’s when the archons came in, that’s when the whole entrapment system was installed. I also know this because in a few personal sessions when people were asking, “Why would I go to Earth when I knew I was going to be trapped?” The answer that I got was, “You came in before the system was installed. And it was installed while you were in physicality, so you did not have access to the bigger picture. And when you got access to the bigger picture, meaning your physical body passed on, you found out that there was a ceiling there and you couldn’t get out.” So that.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that explains some of that. But I want to go back to the term that you brought up, Viola, the loosh farm. Now, what I understand and give people a context is that these archonic energies live off of our emotions, our intense emotions, our jealousy, our hate, our love, even the intensity of it. And addictions and wars. I mean, they love wars. I’m sure they even create the wars because of it. And every human being… someone cuts you off in traffic, you react, that’s some loosh energy for these archons. So everything feeds the archonic matrix. Except when we come from a place of centeredness and deep love, I think we break free. Would you agree with that? How do we break free, Viola, in your terms?
Viola Rose
Isabella just said something about this ceiling and I just thought that we could be called ceiling busters as a nickname. Busting through that ceiling. I think when you get into the sacred space of your heart, the unifying field within, and you go directly into the infinite field within, that you are in that neutral space that is loving, that you’re not food at that point. If you start directing that love in worship ways, it becomes food and fuel again. But there is a sacred neutrality where you’re plugged into the source of all that is truly holy and you’re in your center. And in that state, I think that there’s a neutrality where you’re not giving your life force energy.
Alan Steinfeld
A sacred neutrality. Yes.
Isabella Greene
And I would add to that that the practices that I personally intimately know and I have been doing for 10 years now. Every night I get up around 3:00 in the morning and I do these advanced yogic techniques of breathwork and meditation and I go into what’s called the state of samadhi. And when you come back, it’s not that you come back, you become it. And so you’re no longer triggered by traffic or little things. I mean, things that are unhealed and unprocessed within you, they’re still a match to triggers. And so doing the inner healing work also helps. But when you’re doing your inner healing work, you’re moving forward towards that divine neutrality that Viola just mentioned. And then it becomes… The reality that you experience on Earth is what is now called 5D, right? But you do fluctuate back in and out of it, but predominantly you do experience the sense of relative calmness, so you don’t constantly have your arm out for the looshers to feed off of you. You might produce some here and there, but for the majority of the population, it’s constant because it’s a constant bombardment from all directions, from the media, from TV, from the news, from world events. All of that is to keep humanity in a constant state of massive loosh production based on fear.
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. It’s totally constant. Most people think that’s who they are. They are their emotional body, they are their passions, they are their intensity. And that’s their identification. There’s no way, in a sense, to say, “You’re feeding the matrix, you’re feeding the farm.” And so the idea of reincarnation, I think, is what you’re saying, is that we go to the other side and we still have that intense emotionality, and we’re coming back to re-engage that because that’s what the archons want. Because that’s food. When we stop doing that, when we come to that center of the heart and we are at peace, there’s no longer food. So the reincarnation trap, I think this is what you’re saying, is having us come back and keep generating the emotionality because there must be a huge population of archons out there because every person has sort of their own archonic specialist. I talked to my mother, there must be a hundred feeding off of her. But I don’t know, it’s so strange. I think it’s absolutely true. Yes, Isabella.
Isabella Greene
Either that, or it is a simulation. And if it is a simulation, and it is the very advanced AI system that feeds off of the consciousness of each individual human being, because we’re not really evolving the souls here. We’re just running the cycles of unconsciousness, rather. So if it is an ancient technology that is similar to how we know the greys, right? The greys, they populate the biological body vehicles with consciousness that is exported into that. And now humanity is starting to catch up on that technology too, right? But if it is that, then it’s just the movie “The Matrix.” There is this machine there, right, and it greets everyone and it produces exactly the picture of what you did on Earth. That’s your life review, and all the weak spots, and it reads your consciousness and it generates the visuals of the archons or the beings… Well, we’re not seeing the archons, we’re seeing Jesus, or we’re seeing angelic beings, right? So it generates… it reads, it scans your consciousness, and it generates what you’re going to believe in. And then it gives you the script like, “Hey, you did this, this, this, and that wrong. Go back, you now need to pay off your karma,” meaning go back and continue suffering on Earth so that you provide more loosh. So if it is a simulation, then we don’t have millions of archonic beings actually. But it’s a system that collects the energy, produces the simulation, and feeds it into some other reality where the archons are.
Alan Steinfeld
I don’t understand the idea of simulation. Explain what that means. We’re in a game? What does that mean?
Isabella Greene
I only have an idea of how that works on the outside of the Earth plane. And I would… if Viola wants to take over here about this plane, I would be more than happy, because David Icke talks about that too, as far as I know. But I can see very clearly how it could be a simulation in the astral dimension. Because we are in the non-physical space and it is a well-known fact that when you astral project, you can actually influence the circumstances and the visuals that you experience when you astral project. You can influence that by your state of being, by the resonance. And so, how does that work, right? It could be that that’s the specificity of that dimension. Or it could be that that’s an AI. Like now we have these new gadgets where you just say two words to it and it produces the whole film for you, right? Based on what you just said. So there is that. But that’s how I see it in the afterlife dimension. I do not really quite have the understanding of how it works in this reality. Viola, do you want to talk about that?
Viola Rose
Sure, I’ll chime in. I think one thing is how the laws of nature are not defined here. They’re almost like suggestions and they all can be broken. And they all do get broken, right? There are people who levitate, there are breatharians. There are people who defy the laws of what is natural here. That points to the fact that this is not as solid as we think it is, that it’s a program and the program can be influenced. And if this is a program, just like we have in computers, it’s easy… I think a lot easier for us in modern times now to understand the simulation theory because we do have computers and simulated realities within that to have a connection to. Back in the ancient texts, describing that had to be a little bit more creative. And you can read some of the ancient texts, and when they’re talking about samsara and maya and it being illusion, it makes sense now. And so if this is a computer program, like the holodeck on Star Trek, for example, where none of this is actually really real. Then that would… You start to play around with that, walk around in my life, and I’m looking, “That’s an actor, there’s an actor, there’s an actor, this is a simulation. None of this is real.” And I’m starting to like, play around with that in my everyday to try that on to see what that feels like. And it feels really possible. That this is… If we could just crack the codes, or at least one code here in the simulation, then maybe they all start to crumble, dismantling our reality of everything that we’ve been given in the programming, even in our DNA.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s like saying, okay, seeing you guys on the screen here, what I’m seeing on my computer screen is a simulation of the reality. But if I thought that’s all that existed, that you were those people on that flat screen and that’s where you lived, or that’s where we all lived, on these screens, and there was no essence behind these images. That’s a sort of simulation. And we’d be trapped, because I’d have to get back to my computer screen or else I don’t exist, right? Because that’s the world of my projected sense of self. Something like that, right?
Isabella Greene
It’s convoluted when it’s simulation within simulation within simulation. So, what if this is a simulation, but now I’m within a simulation on a computer screen talking to you and there’s layers of it, which make it like a crazy maze to try to get out of.
Alan Steinfeld
But breaking the cycle. Okay, so let’s get back to… When you escape this reincarnation cycle, which you’re calling the trap, um, there must be… even getting out of the matrix or the simulation. What is there, then? Where are we? I mean, there’s always something.
Isabella Greene
Well, that’s the big question. When you escape the trap, where do you go and what are you and who are you? So far, I have suggested a few options. But the most ultimate alternative is returning into the innate state of being. And you can practice that right here in this reality by doing these yogic practices and the breath work that shuts down the left brain, the talking brain that is a servant of the matrix. The brain that constantly produces thoughts and that plugs you into the matrix and filters out everything that isn’t relevant to your immediate physical survival. So your brain is not your friend, let’s just say. The brain is the friend of the matrix. And so doing the practices to shut that down and then bringing yourself, your life force. The life force that lives in this physical biological computer, which is our body, that’s all it is. Bring that life force out by choice, by will, and take it past the astral plane, past the simulation, past the whole system. You become invincible. You go straight into the field of the absolute. And you can train yourself to do that. And so then in that case, you have escaped every possible simulation structure, restraint system, and even any sort of representation or personification of yourself. You’re back to the original essence of everything. And from there, well, you can either just bask in that incredible state of being, or you could direct yourself elsewhere. And there are also higher realms that are outside of the matrix system. So when you learn how to control your non-physical form and direct it where you prefer to direct it, you can actually learn to do that while you’re still alive and direct it into the higher realms, outside of the dimensions of the matrix. And then can do the same exact thing at the moment of your passing. Except you do not need any techniques to do that at the moment of passing, you just quite literally will repeat what you have trained yourself to do while you’re still alive.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re saying, instead of going to the light… go ahead, Viola.
Viola Rose
I was going to ask… You’re saying that there’s the matrix, there’s all the layers of the astral, all of these things, but then there’s also source on the other side of that that you can connect directly to. But you’re saying as well that there are actually created energetic realms of some sort outside of the matrix that you’ve explored?
Isabella Greene
Yeah. I would say that that is definitely true because there are realities that are not a part of the matrix. Realities of complete freedom. Complete… that pure creative state, the pure creative force where things are in light form and in energy form. And you are that consciousness that is able to do anything just for the exploration of itself. That idea is something that we hear here in New Age communities when they say, “Oh, we’re source exploring ourselves within this Earth dimension.” Well, there are different layers of that. And so when you get to the level where you’re outside of the limitations of this… these are the higher realms and they could be explored. And everything is present within the field of source. Everything is present. And so that is up to you there as consciousness. But you’re not going to be Viola or Isabella or Alan in that. You’re going to be that pure consciousness of source, which is the state of being that allows you to create anything you yourself want to experience. So it’s a complex field. The quantum field of everything, let’s just say.
Viola Rose
Let’s talk a little bit about how you have access to these realms. You said you’re alluding to a breathwork practice that you do that kind of has you bypass the astral completely and get right beyond it in order to explore these places. Can you say more about that?
Isabella Greene
Yeah, and the foundation of that breathwork is in the ancient teachings and in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, and in the… that’s a little book that really quite literally describes the process of getting out of the whole matrix system. And it’s only 10 pages long. And so there is this concept that it’s true that the truth is very simple. We don’t need to spend hours in discussion of anything. Just do your practices and you’ll know for yourself. And so the breathwork is called Tantric Kriya Kundalini Pranayama, that wakes up your kundalini energy. It also moves… allows you to utilize your life force as that rocket fuel that sends you out of body. It’s very different than going out of body during an astral projection. It’s very intense at the beginning. But then once you’ve paved that way, and you managed to handle your body, because the body will resist and oppose you in every possible way. But once you’ve trained your body to do that and to know that you’re coming back, don’t worry about it. So the body will stop kicking and screaming. And you have learned how to do that, and it takes perseverance, it takes discipline and intent. And now I have a lot of followers, and they tell me, “Oh, I did it for a month and nothing happened.” Well, I’m sorry, I did it for 10 years. And this year I found myself in the higher octaves of samadhi, because there are different levels of access where you have brain activity and then when you get to the point where you don don’t anymore, you have completely departed. But shooting out of the top of the head like a rocket and going… it gets you right past, you don’t need to use any ideas, any techniques, anything. It just… the energy is so strong that is within you, that it sends you right past the astral plane. You don’t even get trapped in there. And if you do, that means that you did not utilize all of your life force to go.
Alan Steinfeld
What was the name of the book?
Isabella Greene
The practice? Tantric Kriya Kundalini Pranayama. It’s also called the cosmic cobra breath.
Viola Rose
I think you were asking about the 10-page book from Patanjali.
Isabella Greene
Ah, Patanjali, yeah, that’s the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. And in very simple words, in just 10 pages, it explains the normal human state, and then the superhuman state, and everything in between. And it talks about the breathwork and how it shuts down the mind and the levels of samadhi. And how you go from the basic state of suffering into the enlightened state. 10 pages of short little verses and it’s all in there. So…
Alan Steinfeld
I think it was an Egyptian practice too, because when I read a biography of Omm Sety, The Search for Omm Sety, she talked about Seti the Pharaoh who had that practice who was able to visit her on those other levels. And…
Isabella Greene
Absolutely. Because the cosmic cobra breath exists… apparently it exists in every mystical tradition. And it used to be a hidden practice, something that was not shared with the commoner, only for the priests and all that. Because that’s how the system was before. Right now, we have everything available at our fingertips. And so Egyptians have the cosmic cobra breath. Yogic traditions have the cosmic cobra breath. My understanding is that even the Christian traditions have a variation of that breathwork. So humanity knew it from the beginning of time. But it was such a taboo, like, “Oh, you’re doing the work of the devil if you get involved in any of these practices.” So it’s been pushed out of our awareness.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s been pushed out by the archons themselves. They don’t want people to eat of the tree of knowledge, like it says in the Bible. So when you do that… the apple, the fruit is the activation of the pineal-pituitary system, which is the fruit of consciousness. And when you access that, you ingest that and you expand. So we’ve been kept dumbed down and ignorant to be the loosh farm specimens that they think we’re here for. But the other thing you mentioned, Viola, is those other realms of reality beyond the matrix may be the ones you originally saw, Isabella, that existed before the archons had put their control over us. So they still exist, but we have to kind of break through that webbing or that field to get there through these practices.
Isabella Greene
Absolutely. Thank you for saying that, because it is exactly the point. That other higher realities, higher levels of consciousness, all of that existed. And original two layers of history on Earth were connected to that. And then the lower dimensional consciousness came in, took over. We hear about that from Bringers of the Dawn, that book, where she says there were wars fought and space for ownership of Earth. And so that technically started around… what the Book of Genesis talks about that. But you’re absolutely right about that. Thank you for helping me to put the dots together here in my mind, because they absolutely existed and still exist and will continue to exist outside of this local system that is the matrix system.
Alan Steinfeld
But maybe our destiny… we’re here to build soul essence by moving through that matrix, or like Jesus sitting in the desert for 40 days being tempted. That was all that archonic influence. I’m not going there, I’m just going to stay centered and activate the divine frequency. So maybe if we can just convince… that’s what your book is. It’s a handbook to tell people what we have to do. The best thing we can do here to do, folks, is to not be tempted by the matrix. And of course, people are too busy and too obsessed and too fearful to even pay attention to that kind of conversation.
Isabella Greene
Well, that feeds the cycles of samsara, because people fixated here, were trained from day one to be fixated on desires. The body comes with a set of desires. We come with a set of needs. And it’s all pretty much for the body, for physical survival, for comfort. And so all of that feeds the matrix. And that’s why we’re cut off from the knowledge of the high essence of ourselves. I do not subscribe to the idea that we are on Earth doing any good for the evolution of the soul. Because if you have experienced the state of superconsciousness even once, you would know that the soul is perfection itself. It is already the substance or the energy, the state of being that contains everything. What we are dealing with on Earth is growing and expanding the levels of consciousness, which is not the same as the soul, which is not the same as the fabric of the soul. But within the New Age community, we are taught that we’re on Earth to evolve the soul. And I think there is a confusion between the idea of what the soul really is and what does not require, and the progress or evolution of consciousness. And doing that here on Earth, I would agree.
Viola Rose
It seems by absolute design that they keep us so distracted so that we cannot… If this is a breeder program, the whole objective of everything here is so that beings will continue to procreate and continue to create more beings for the farm. And so we are programmed in our code, in the computer code in our DNA to be obsessed with food and sex and everything that will just keep the species going and not focusing on the higher centers. It’s like when you look at it from that way, it seems pretty clear that this is a farm and it really takes somebody being willing to dismantle their reality and even step outside of it to even look at the system and go, “Oh wait, I’m just running a program, I’m just running the story that they’ve given to me for my life.” And it’s amazing to see how much this is up in the collective now. Isabella wrote her book, and David Icke wrote a book, and Howdie Mickoski wrote a book. And there’s conversations around this now. Even the series on Ickonic, and Alan, this has been burning in you for a while now and you wanted to do a series on this and you just want to talk about this too. It’s amazing that so many of us are getting this pulse that is anti the system. And maybe we are here as system busters, to bust through this whole pocket because it can help the collective. But I would agree with Isabella that I don’t know that we’re here to grow and learn. I think that’s probably part of the New Age psy-op to keep us believing in our struggle as that it has value.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s a good point. But it’s not just food and sex, it’s money, survival, fear. You gotta make money, you gotta pay your taxes, do all those things. Or else the fear of not having enough, that’s a huge loosh dessert for those beings. I mean, all of it, the whole way the system is set up, you’re right, Viola. It’s just to feed the fears, the desires, the obsessions, the addictions. And people think there is nothing else. That’s the situation we’re facing. Except for the people now that you’re saying are awakening to say, “Well, maybe there is something more. This place of oneness.” And the other thing that was interesting, because people think, “Oh, you pass over the other side, you’re in touch with your soul.” But you’re saying, Isabella, maybe Viola, that you’re not really in touch with your soul, you’re in touch with the neurosis of the personality that wants you to come back and do it better. Is that true?
Isabella Greene
I love the wording here! “In touch with neurosis of the personality,” I’m putting this into my next book, Alan, for sure! This is so funny. But it is true. But it’s not really you, you are guilted into it. It’s either the simulated beings or the shape-shifting archonic beings. They greet you, and they can present themselves as the ones that you believe in, angelics, or Jesus, or Krishna, or your loved ones. And they tell you, “Whoa, you know, you hurt all these people.” And you get to re-experience all that, and you feel so guilty that they tell you, “You know what, that wasn’t cool. Go back and do better next time.” And so that’s when you say, “Yes, yes, I’m going back.” And so you get to rest a little bit in the afterlife, in that dimension, which does feel significantly better than this reality. And any near-death experiencer will tell you that outside of myself. So you do rest a little bit in this beautiful place that feels so amazing, and then you’re back in the body. And you don’t remember anything that happened. You don’t remember that you agreed to continue, or this person that you hurt is now going to be hurting you in this lifetime. And that is all, that whole structure is just to continue the human beings within the cycles of suffering. I say that the longer you’re on Earth, the more karma you have because the more you do. And the more you produce the reasons to be considered not good enough or guilty or hurting someone else. And so there’s no such thing as paying off karma. But we’re presented with that idea throughout scriptures and it seems…
Alan Steinfeld
The longer you’re on Earth, though, gives you more time to practice those other skills, though, to free yourself from it as well, right?
Isabella Greene
If you are in that mind frame. I know I’ve been on Earth… I remembered, and it’s in my book, I remembered first coming on Earth. That was before the dinosaurs! So that was over 70 billion years ago, alright. We didn’t even… there wasn’t even the human body vehicle back then to populate. So I’ve been on Earth since that time. And only in this lifetime I am finally remembering that, “Whoa, you know what, that’s how I came in.” And finally I get to get out because I’m figuring out how to get out. But in between that, there was everything else. There were medieval wars, there were all kinds of atrocities, being burnt at the stake, and this and that. And over and over you find yourself in another scenario with the same set of characters that keeps growing, by the way, as your soul group. And you just keep finding yourself in a different variation of a scenario where something terrible happens to you. So…
Alan Steinfeld
But the only… you have to do the practice. That’s the way out.
Isabella Greene
If you do the practice, you expedite this process that I just described. It even says in Yogananda’s book, the “Autobiography of a Yogi,” although that book is hit or miss, there is some really incredible guidance there, and there is also some misleading guidance there as well. But as to understanding of the astral plane and that’s what I’m saying. But I have a high respect for Yogananda as a teacher. And so he says in that book that if we go through this process that I just mentioned, came in billions of years ago, and then one cycle after the next… It does take millions of years to move even an inch in your consciousness evolution, alright. And this is why we’re at where we’re at. Let’s take the Book of Genesis, how long ago was that? All these stories in there. And now, only now, in 2023, 2024, we’re starting to talk about, “Hey, you know, something is not right here.” But if you do the practices, you expedite this process. It literally… I don’t know, one year becomes a hundred years forward movement. And so then you don’t have to go through this to even catch your consciousness up through millions and millions of thousands of incarnations. If you do your practices, you’re right. Thank you, Alan.
Viola Rose
Isabella, what were you thinking?
Isabella Greene
I’m thinking how interesting that is, that Isabella, you just talk about how Yogananda said you could just move an inch over lifetime after lifetime after lifetime. And that just is worth mentioning in this conversation about the idea how people think that reincarnation is for the purpose of growth. And yet, that makes no sense when you look at it through the vantage point of the fact that we don’t get to remember. How can you actually truly grow? If it’s a school and we’re growing, then we would be able to retain our memories after that life, and then the next life start and build on that. And because we get completely mind-wiped and start over, that’s why maybe it can take a gazillion lifetimes to move an inch, because it’s not designed to set us free. So the longer we can live on this planet, the more work we can do to map this out. And supposedly it’s not that easy to do it in one lifetime. But if you’ve got tips and tricks and you’re absolutely devoted to breaking free, and there’s many different ways to look at that, whether it’s enlightenment or breaking free of the matrix or whatever it is. Just getting free of it. And if that is your main goal in this life, you can get there. Isabella has carved out a way, and other masters have carved out ways and have come here to map out ways as well.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, this was the mystery schools, I think, of the past. Of course, they had to go underground because they were hunted down and banished and made illegal and all that. But the interesting thing you told me, Viola, about Isabella is that you discovered this on your own. Do you want to talk about… This was a revelation. How did you come into this whole field? Because I think that’s very interesting. And I don’t know the whole story.
Isabella Greene
Yeah, it was a total discovery. I’ll be honest with you, I had no idea that other people wrote about this or spoke about it. When I started… when I published my book with trembling hands, like, “Oh my God, I’m just going to put that out because this is what I now know, what came together through all of my experiences.” Then people started telling me, “Oh, did you know David Icke wrote ‘The Trap’ and ‘The Dream’?” And that feeds right into your theme. I was like, “Whoa, I had no idea.” And “Do you know…” Viola told me about Howdie Mickoski. I was like, “What?” So how did it all come to you to begin with? You’re just a normal, maybe or not, person, and then what happened?
Isabella Greene
It’s been a gradual process. I started astral projecting when I was a teenager. And astral dimension is where we have the afterlife, and where we have the spirit life invisible to us, and that’s where we have the archons operating and running the reincarnation cycle too. The upper astral is heaven, the lower astral is hell, and I was astral projecting into the lower astral. And by the way, in the documentary “The Great Unknown,” there is another person who says exactly the same thing. He said, “I was astral projecting into the lower astral,” and he gives the whole same story that I lived through, so I was very excited about that. And I learned about the astral dimension, and how to go out of body and what life is like there, dealing with these low entities that hunt for human fear, they literally sniff fear. And I was doing that between 17 and 21, 24, somewhere there. And then I went into a coma, an American dream, meaning I started… the matrix got me, let’s just say. And then I started doing… in 2010, I started… no, before the practices that came in in 2010 that I talked about now that gave me access to the void, the space of omnipresence. I actually had two near-death experiences. One of these near-death experiences was something I did not at all appreciate. And this is how I’m different from other near-death experiencers who get so impressed. But because by that time, I was already projecting into the astral dimension, I’ve already seen all kinds of… like how it is, and what kind of life is there, and what’s possible, what’s not possible within there. When I had a near-death experience, I was greeted by the figure that looked like Jesus, because at that point, I believed in Jesus. And I was begging him. I was exhausted. I was living a really hard life in New York City, hardcore on drugs, and rock and roll, and working in the financial services industry during the day. And it was just such a godawful matrix experience for me. Heavy stuff. And I wanted out. And I had an overdose. And I was asking for him… I was begging him for him to keep me there. And with all this love, and all this kindness that my heart just flew open, he sent me back. He said, “No, it’s not your time yet,” you know, the standard thing. And I came back and I was very annoyed. I was like, “You know what? This is not kindness. I’m so… I was really upset that he sent me back.” So I was like, “There’s something wrong with this picture.” And then I decided that I want to have a near-death experience again, and I started seeking that out. I wanted to have a simulated near-death experience because when I talk to people about near-death experiences, they were telling me that there were practices, shamanic practices, and ancient practices in Africa and in Egypt as well, where people were put in the state that simulated the near-death experience and they got to take a look at what’s going on there. So I did find a way to have that done, and I had another near-death experience that was induced. And I saw… I literally went straight into the astral plane. And by that time, by the way, I could not astral project anymore because of how dense I was at that point. So I could not do that on my own, but I had that induced experience. And I observed the station, I observed groups of beings shepherding the souls around. And that when I came back, I was very curious at that point. I was like, “Whoa, wait a minute, so what was it that I was looking at? This is just…” that added additional information to my own near-death experience curiosity. And then after that, for another 10 years or so, I was completely dead asleep again. And then I started waking up, and I started doing the yogic practices in 2010. And then when I went into the state of source for the first time, I was like, “Whoa, interesting, there’s nothing here. It’s not that astral dimension reality that I was experiencing. There are no beings, no one is telling you that you’re not good enough or go back or whatever, you’re just out and then you’re back into the body.” And I had a quantum healing hypnosis session with someone trained by Dolores Cannon because I wanted to ask this question. I was like, “What’s up with the whole reincarnation cycle? Can I get out?” And I got the answers. And all of this is in my book. And then I started talking to other people who were not exactly buying into this whole, “Oh my God, near-death experiences, like going to heaven, the best thing ever!” Those who try to get out, those who begged to get out, those who were duped to come back in. Those who were run in circles over and over with different sets of beings telling them that you have to go back and then when they refused, they were still sent back through trickery. And so all of that is in my book. And so this is how I just went ahead and put all these short stories, short experiences in my book. My book is pretty short. And so this is how I know. And my attention has been on this question ever since. And I’m getting more and more information through conversations with people and also through going into the field and picking up more information, right? Because this is where my focus is. It has been since 2023.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you very much, Alan. Yeah, that’s on Amazon. And I also have it in audio format, so you can listen to it now as well on Audacity. And yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
But you keep getting more information. Are you writing about it even more?
Isabella Greene
I’m writing the second book, yeah. I should have that out within the next few months, almost halfway through already. So yeah, that’s coming.
Alan Steinfeld
And what’s that about? Is that a continuation of your investigation?
Isabella Greene
Yeah, it’s just an expansion, and there’ll be more experiences there, and more recommendations. And I’m also teaching… we just did a workshop together with Viola, and it’s going to be available for purchase pretty soon. I’m setting up a platform where people can stream it outside of YouTube and all that. And then also the other two workshops that I taught earlier in the year will be a part of that. We have another workshop coming in January where we will be all together in a room, people having experiences right in that room when we were in the group, and people were saying how important it is to be in a group of like-minded people that all are thinking in the same way. And so we are hosting another live event with Viola in January, January 25th, that’s coming up pretty soon. And I’m speaking at Sedona Cosmic Awakening. I’ll be on the big stage there, Alan, where we saw each other at the Ascension Retreat. So the same stage, I’ll be on that stage October 11th through 13th at Sedona Cosmic Awakening, talking about this subject. And there’ll be some online classes that I’ll be offering as well. So a lot is in the works right now, and in progress. And if anyone wants to follow and check when these things are all finally put together, they can check my website isabellagreene.com.
Viola Rose
And there’s also a Facebook group that Isabella started that I help her with, and it’s called Leaving Reincarnation.
Isabella Greene
No, it’s Exiting… Exiting Reincarnation.
Viola Rose
Exiting Reincarnation. And there’s a lot of conversation going on there, and a lot of research, and people asking questions. And both of us chime in here and there, and other people will chime in. And so it’s a… there’s it’s great to have a forum to talk about these things and to bounce ideas off of each other, and you know, such a vast topic of topics.
Alan Steinfeld
But can’t the one question… can’t the earth be a really amazing place where you can just feel joy and love, adventure, beauty? I mean, there’s some nice things about embodiment. I mean, or is that a trap? Did I just get sucked into the trap?
Isabella Greene
It’s called the fifth dimension, which is the higher tier of… yeah, the matrix still, because it is still all a part of desires. It’s based on wanting to have all of your desires fulfilled, wanting to be in a good place. But I think that we’re slowly carving our way into dismantling of the whole system, and Earth possibly joining the higher realms eventually. I don’t think that’s going to happen within our lifetimes, but yeah, Alan, that’s coming. Just… we might we might we might just have to look at it from elsewhere and say, “Hey, remember this place we were at? Look how it evolved.” Well, maybe one of our lifetimes it could happen if we… you know, people do remember sometimes. Like I do remember my last incarnation, and I do remember, you know, we can come back in with more awareness. And so… what do you think, Viola? Where should we go? What’s happening? What’s the next step for people to do watching this?
Viola Rose
I think, you know, if this is a brand new topic, it’s great to start asking questions. And just looking at the reality around you and go, “Why do I believe that? Why do I believe that? Why do I do that way? That way? Why do I celebrate this holiday?” Everything, just start to question everything and start to lose the stronghold that it has on us so that we can be free to start navigating in other ways. Going into the heart, exploring past the astral, and start to just map out ways that we can start to be unbound here. And it can be a playground. But that can also be a distraction, right? It’s like, it can be wonderful, it is as we make it if it’s a simulation. But like let’s not get too caught up in creating a beautiful life for ourselves within the simulation that then lessens our desire to actually truly want to be free. So walking lightly like detached joy, because we want to be in joy anyway, because we don’t want to feed the matrix with our suffering, realizing that this place is a farm. But, you know, there’s that sweet spot.
Isabella Greene
Yeah, I agree. I agree 100% because we can, while we’re here, make the best of it. And we can make the best of it through raising our frequency and doing the practices that show us what’s going on. And when you’re fully… that’s being awake. You’re fully awake, you see what’s going on. You see what’s going on around you in the system, and how you can disengage or engage in a different way. And how you can energetically disengage, and how you can also assist your internal state of being to be a match to a whole different experience. And that’s what when people talk about going into 5D state, that’s that. 5D is basically vibrating on a level where you are a match to a higher octave of Earth plane, the Earth reality. And it is a much easier… it’s a much easier experience. So it is available.
Alan Steinfeld
But I think the first…
Isabella Greene
Yeah, it is available right here within this reality. We’re already here. A lot of people start pulling hair and going, “Oh my God, this is so terrible, and ah, I’m gonna shoot myself.” Look, we’re already here. We’re already here. Do the best you can with it, and give… make the rest of your life the best you could give yourself. And it’s not all… it’s not brain surgery. It’s not that complicated. Do the inner healing work and do the practices that expand your consciousness and connect you to that energy of source. That’s it. That’s it, right?
Alan Steinfeld
And also, to simply watch your emotionality, watch where you’re triggered, and don’t feed the trigger. Someone cuts you off in traffic, you know, maybe they had to get some… I mean, I think if we can step back and control the intensity of these reactive emotional human states, I mean, look at the wars. That’s all like loosh farming deluxe there. You know, start a war, get people to hate each other. They don’t care, the archons, that that is happening and destroying humans because they’re going to get them on the other side and have them come back and destroy that. You know, the karmic wheel just keeps going. But if we could step back outside the reactive emotional states and drop into that place you were talking about, Viola, the center, then we become the observer of the reality, and it just all kind of passes in front of us as we watch the human dramas without engaging. That’s freedom, I think in a way, don’t you think?
Isabella Greene
I agree, but there are different ways of looking at this. And I do spiritual healing work and I work with people, and I work with people who just kind of try to suppress that, right? “Oh, I’m not supposed to be that way.” So you’re repressing it, it’s gonna blow up in your face when you least expect it. So just suppressing is not the way to go, but when you are triggered by something, usually it’s linked to unworthiness. That’s the human condition 101 right there, right? And so as an example, working on that within yourself, right, the “not good enough” conditioning, working on that, doing the inner healing work, will make you naturally stop being triggered. Okay? So it’s not that you repress it or you go into spiritual bypassing and you hide behind the beautiful concepts of love and light and “I’m not supposed to act that way.” No, you actually do the inner work and you are going to become that without repressing things. So exactly what you said, but suppressing and spiritual bypassing does not work.
Alan Steinfeld
No, I didn’t mean suppressing. I mean feeling it without reacting to it so you’re not feeding it. You feel the anger, you feel the sadness, you allow the feelings, but you don’t indulge the feelings, is what I meant. Because…
Isabella Greene
And the feelings are an invitation. These feelings are an invitation that show you your traumas. All right, so looking at that, “Why am I triggered? Why when this happens over and over, why am I triggered? And why do I feel this emotion?” If you sit with it, and you do the process that… by the way, I teach that process in the workshop that will be available pretty soon online for purchase. So I teach this process of doing the inner work utilizing the breathwork. But at first you sit and you observe, and you analyze why it is that you are being triggered. Because anything that you’re triggered about, it’s linked to some sort of condition and some sort of trauma of the past. And once you have processed that, that’s it, you will never again be triggered about the same thing. So it’s very liberating. People don’t like to do the inner work because people don’t like to feel the discomfort. But then you have a choice of feeling the discomfort for the time you’re doing the processing, or your entire lifetime. So there is like… I think it’s worth investing your attention into doing the inner healing work and then liberating yourself from that trigger, and then notice the next trigger, and the next trigger in the same way.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. We could wrap up soon. But what do you think of different ET races? Are some here to help, but do you think someone like Bashar who has a lot of higher ideals, is that like a helping… I mean I’m not saying we should ask… listen to all these voices. But because listen to yourself. But there there does seem to be help and then there’s the other side that seems to keep us stuck. So I guess it’s as above, so below, sort of like that. What do you think, Viola?
Viola Rose
Well, I’m interested to hear Isabella’s response. I personally… I think that yeah, there’s a lot of… personally I think there’s a lot of us here who are maybe trying to help the situation, and I don’t trust hardly any of it. Because it’s smoke and mirrors and there’s a lot of deception. Even looking at the moment of death when these beings come to you as your loved ones or as Jesus. Like I go into my heart, I connect to my higher self and directly to Source. That’s it, straight line. I don’t even go sideways into any other channelings or other things. I just try to… I don’t need anything outside of myself. You know, the answers are within. So that’s where I lean, but I’m curious about your question to Isabella about other races and have you encountered them on your journeys and travels?
Isabella Greene
Good point there, the good point, Viola. I do the same thing, like, and then I say, “Yeah, the trust the direct guidance of your soul that is plugged into the higher awareness.” And that’s it. Um, we have presences here that act like they have humanity’s best interest in mind, but they don’t. And you never know. You will never know that because they know how to present themselves in a way that you will trust them. Um, and we have the ones that from the higher dimensions that do actually want to assist humanity in in moving to the next level of of consciousness and and moving out of this whole system. And I’m not going to comment on Bashar because I just generally don’t comment on someone else’s work in any way. But Linda, Linda Moulton Howe, who you had on your show, Alan, there, she said in one of her interviews, she said that even the US government is aware that there are three factions of ETs that have been running, utilizing, running the system on Earth, that have vested interests in the system on Earth, and they have been utilizing humanity for their own purposes. So what do you think about ETs? That’s a why… it’s a, it’s a wide spectrum question and it depends on what ETs and what exact race is she talking about. And what kind of relationship do they have with the Earth plane or humanity, and do they have a vested interest in humanity or not. So that’s a vast, vast question, and I don’t have the whole spectrum of it… we don’t have time right now to analyze.
Alan Steinfeld
Linda talks about the reptilians, the tall white Nordics, and the greys, and they’re all competing for control of this planet, and we’re just like pawns, like being manipulated by these other forces. But I think what we’re talking about here is gaining back control over our soul, really, not just our life, but our soul, to know that our true essence is transcendent, it’s not actual dependent upon this plane or that dimension. It’s absolutely, absolutely…
Isabella Greene
Couldn’t have said it better, thank you very much, Alan. Yeah.
Viola Rose
I think that it’s layers of distraction too. Like whatever’s going on on this planet with politics, whether it’s exopolitics or whether it’s what stuff here, it’s still layers of distraction to keep you focused on the matrix. And so taking the much broader, broader, broader vantage point will serve us if we really want to break free of it. But if we’re getting caught up too much even in the aliens and that, like that still takes our attention and takes our focus off of doing the real work of going within and getting free.
Isabella Greene
And that brings me exactly right back to that point that the truth is simple. It does not need us overcomplicating our minds and trying to figure out every little detail. If we do, that just feeds the brain computer in there with more information and more reasons to keep spinning about it. But the truth is simple. And once you have tapped into that true infinity of the soul, you know it, and that’s it. And conversations are not even required anymore. But we like our conversations, so thank you very much, Alan. It’s wonderful to be here.
Viola Rose
This is a great place to close too. That was a perfect closer.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, no, thank you Isabella, for… You know, it’s hard work doing what… it’s not easy standing up to all those people with a near-death experience and all the reincarnation advocates. It’s hard. I mean, you know, as a human sensitive being, you’re standing up against a lot of old traditions that say, you know, this is just crazy, it’s impossible. But who’s to say what’s crazy and impossible? You know, it’s like everyone’s brainwashed by their own dogmas, and I think what we’re trying to do here is set all of ourselves free. Like you said Viola, question everything.
Isabella Greene
And that’s what it says in my book. On the first page right here, the first page of my book, it says “Question Everything.” That’s the… I don’t know if you can see it or not, but that’s the book, and the book invites the reader to do their own research. To probe more into the suggestions that I give. By no means am I presenting any material as “This is it right there.” But do your research, do the questioning. This is the main, the main idea of every teaching I think, and it should be that way. And so that’s what my book says too: Question Everything. I love it that Viola mentioned that too. Thank you. Thank you both.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. Thank you both. Viola, we’re gonna do more of these ’cause they’re so interesting. They’re so, you know, really cutting edge, I feel, like people like Isabella who really stepped out there on your own. Isabella, now I’m glad you’re finding support from people who are starting to awaken.
Isabella Greene
Well, and also the army of trolls is growing slowly! But I’m doing the inner work, so the triggering is not really happening.
Alan Steinfeld
But it took me like a little time ’cause when I first met you I wasn’t sure what you were saying to me, and now I’m getting it. I wasn’t, ’cause it was like this whole other thing. And then it’s like, well yeah, it seems like obvious we’re being manipulated and controlled by forces totally outside our conscious awareness.
Viola Rose
Yeah.
Isabella Greene
All right.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, Alan, it’s a pleasure. It’s a pleasure sharing this space with you. Thank you very much, Viola. It’s always wonderful to have you. And thank you both for this wonderful time and this very deep and inspiring conversation.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. Thank you, Isabella. Any final words from you, Viola?
Viola Rose
Ah, much love to everyone.
Alan Steinfeld
Thanks. Thank you, everyone who’s tuned in online. We have a lot of live chats. Thank you. Subscribe to this channel. And we’ll look for more of escaping the archonic matrix or trap or whatever we want to call it. Reality, yes. Exactly.
